> Okay, I give, it's hopeless... :P
> 
> Once you get to a) someone else wrote it and they didn't know better
> and b) I'm not allowed to change it, then you're screwed. :P

So anyway, back to my original point, frameworks /can/ work fine with
complex data queries, but we've proven that in most cases complex data
queries shouldn't be necessary.  So my original concern was that
frameworks don't work very will with complex joins and such.  But you've
helped me understand that's not the case, so now I'm one step closer to
actually using a framework.  :)


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