ok so Sean and Ray use transmit I know (on osx, which is what i use as well) 
but what do the good folks on osx use?

~Dave the disruptor~ 

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From: "Russ" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 12:15 AM
To: CF-Talk <cf-talk@houseoffusion.com>
Subject: RE: CF Studio 5 

TourtoiseSVN is awesome, but not nearly as awesome as the Subclipse plugin
to Eclipse. It's just beyond awesome. 

And subversion server runs on windows and linux, and probably dozens of
other platforms. It's free, Open Source and has a very active development
group. I've been on their developer and user list for the past few months,
and they almost as much traffic as cf-talk. 

Subversion is also superior to CVS. It was designed that way. And since
you can install it on pretty much any machine (even an XP workstation),
there is no excuse to not use it. 

As far as ftp, it is a standard, but ftps and sftp add many new features.
Encryption is only part of it, there is also compression, etc. And you can
install filezilla on windows and use sftp, so there's no excuse for using an
insecure ftp server either (unless of course you're forced to by
client/shared host). 

Russ

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Denny Valliant [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 11:51 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: CF Studio 5
> 
> On 6/5/06, Eric Roberts  wrote:
> 
> > FTP is a protocol set by W3C. Much like any other transfer protocol,
> you
> > can "transmit" it over a secure channel. Is there any difference in the
> > html for a page that uses http vs. https? It's all the same transfer
> > protocol, with an added layer of security from a security protocol or
> > method You put together sftp and ftps...remove the security...you still
> > have good ole plain text insecure ftp.
> 
> 
> Sort of. I haven't seen so much trouble using SSH as FTP. Just because
> the
> W3C has a standard, I don't think that makes the real world adhere to the
> standard.
> 
> My understanding is that there is a good bit of variation between the
> different systems implementations of the FTP protocol (directory
> listing?),
> and that is one of the reasons the FTP client for Eclipse has been
> struggling. It "mostly works" (it's worked for me when I've tried it),
> but
> there are a lot of edge cases or some such. The platform_team group was
> looking for someone willing to contribute a commercial quality java one, I
> think. At any rate, I get the point, transferring data is transferring
> data. [=
> 
> I will look into tortoise once I figure out what the hell Wide Open West
> is
> > doing to my internet connection grrrrrrrr
> 
> 
> TSVN RIZOCKS! Fo sure. I wish there was one like it for OS X (although
> it
> looks like SVNX is pretty good, iirc). That would make my lagging comrade
> get into it quicker, I feel. Since I can't make DreamWeaver integrate
> with
> SVN....
> 
> Hrm... Maybe a similar idea of a dumbed down cfeclipse install, but with a
> dumbed down MyEclipse setup for the wysiwyg... make the whole transition
> to
> eclipse less overwhelming. I have to say, I was a little lost when I
> first
> started using Eclipse (but 3.2 is much better in most reguards), and I was
> sorta familiar with NetBeans, even. I should appreciate that fact more.
> 
> It's easy to take what we know for granted. I do it all the time, and it's
> a
> bad habit.
> Arg. Too many bad habits!
> :Denny
> 
> 
> 



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