Russ, Don't take it the wrong way but no one, as far as I have seen over the years has *ever* recommended or bashed one web server over another on such a blatant scale :-). It is not constructive to say that IIS is inferior and does not show good etiquette IMO - a bit like the PC v Mac debate I thought we all grew out of.
I have used both Apache and IIS, and am completely agnostic when it comes to serving pages. Here are my thoughts on what I found (when working with ColdFusion). Out of the box install, there really is nothing to seperate them - on Windows at least. Both have a next, next finish process and Adobe do all the rest of the work with the web connector. IIS is without doubt easier to manage due it's GUI nature as you noted and I wouldn't choose a product based on that but it is a major factor. If you had to choose between Word Processing the way we used to over using Word or some other easier to use GUI based system you would choose the latter, anyone would, it's one of the reasons IIS is attractive and why it is usually the web server of choice for beginners etc. I never really found Apache hard to configure as like most on the list, I was and am familiar with config files. Most mods I worked with had installers so I was never really had to go out of the box to configure. It can be daunting with Apache when you need to start fiddling with the config by hand and I can see why someone would shy away from it back to IIS. If Apache had a GUI like this (I never found one when I was working on it) it would be great but not make it any better or superior.. I am not sure what you mean about managing / storing configuration files in Source Control, control log files or use authentication other than AD... All are certainly possibly and bread and butter stuff to IIS. From these comments, I would suggest it is you who goes down the "research" route and objectively look at IIS rather than letting your obvious prejudice get in the way. I did find Apache served pages faster than IIS during load testing etc. Also, if you want to use .NET, AFAIK the only supported route is to use IIS. My biggest point of note with using Apache was that if I used it daily I wouldn't want to use it with JRUn, I would want to use Tomcat, but last time I checked the latter was not suported by Adobe. I did dabble with getting Tomcat to talk to ColdFusion either via the APR within Tomcat and also via a mod connector to Apache, it was a nightmare, it worked but it wasn't easy. The last point of note was that nearly all of the stuff on Apache is based around non-Wndows platforms which can make it hard to debug. I am not saying there are no resources just that a Google displayed more non-Windows results so you can see why that is not attractive to the inquisitive web server searcher... Just my £0.02p "This e-mail is from Reed Exhibitions (Gateway House, 28 The Quadrant, Richmond, Surrey, TW9 1DN, United Kingdom), a division of Reed Business, Registered in England, Number 678540. It contains information which is confidential and may also be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s) please note that any form of distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information in it is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error please return it to the sender or call our switchboard on +44 (0) 20 89107910. The opinions expressed within this communication are not necessarily those expressed by Reed Exhibitions." Visit our website at http://www.reedexpo.com -----Original Message----- From: Russ To: CF-Talk Sent: Mon Apr 02 05:46:57 2007 Subject: RE: OT ISAPI Rewrite Casey, I'm sorry you feel that way, but there are plenty advantages of Apache over IIS on a windows box. Most people here say that they choose not to use Apache because it's harder to configure, but my experience has been quite the opposite. Just because Pete decided to waste $99 per server on ISAPI rewrite, it doesn't mean that he can't see the light and start using Apache and all the power and flexibility that comes with it. If Apache is not an option for Pete, he can say so, but just because he's using IIS and has already bought ISAPI rewrite, doesn't necessarily mean that he has to stick with an inferior product. Before you make blanket statements like saying that there is no advantage of Apache over IIS on the windows box, I suggest you do you research. When this thread came up before, it was basically decided that both Apache and IIS are good servers on windows, and which one is has the advantage is really based on your needs. IIS is arguably slightly better for hosting ...NET applications as well as doing integrated authentication, while Apache is better when you want to have control of you configurations, keep the configuration files in source control, have control of your log files, ability to use a password file for authentication instead of AD, ability to modify mod_jrun to suit your needs. Availability of FREE modules such as mod_rewrite are just icing on the cake. Did I mention that over 58% of the world runs Apache vs only 31% running IIS? Now the number of Apache users on windows is probably lower then IIS, but so is the number of Firefox users vs IE, and I think we can all agree that Firefox is the better browser. Just because Microsoft bundles something with the OS that you shell out a lot of money for, doesn't mean that it's a better product, no matter how much Microsoft pays you to say so (as they have done recently in several cases). All I ask, Casey, is that people give Apache a try. I'm sure everyone has heard of it, and most people heard that it's hard to configure. I did a presentation at the NYCFUG last month, and I installed Apache and connected it to ColdFusion and set up several virtual sites, all in less then ten minutes. I think we all owe it to ourselves to see what alternatives are out there before making a decision, and not just go with what's bundled with the OS, or what has a 'pretty' GUI. Install Apache, take the time to learn it, and then make the decision of using Apache or IIS. You owe it to yourself. Russ > -----Original Message----- > From: Casey Dougall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 7:08 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: OT ISAPI Rewrite > > Sorry Pete, I know we are using it but I haven't myself... Russ, give us a > break... this tread has nothing to do with Apache... I'm seriously sick of > people calling out apache when there is really no advantage for it on a > windows box. We all obviously know about apache and choose not to use > it... > Pete also has ISAPI Rewrite so there is truly no reason to switch. > > As for Mod_rewrite you still need to know how to use it... wtf. like > Apache > straight out of the box is going to read your mind or something. > > Casey > > > On 4/1/07, Russ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Have you considered switching to Apache? Takes only 10 minutes to > install > > and has mod_rewrite build in with excellent documentation and plenty of > > examples. > > > > Russ > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| ColdFusion MX7 and Flex 2 Build sales & marketing dashboard RIAâs for your business. 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