Thanks for the input so far guys. I did wonder about the possibility of leaving the agency but the agency and the client have quite a good working relationship and an understanding or agreement that the client won't take on any staff directly (perhaps for some length of time) after working for the client via the agency. The contact at the agency is also a personal friend of the head of web development at the client.
On 4/11/07, Mark A Kruger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Right.... That's the rub. Although in my experience it happens all the time. > Recruiters rarely enforce that part of the contract because they can't > afford to alienate the customer. > > -Mark > > -----Original Message----- > From: Adrian Lynch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 11:04 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Contract rates > > But check the contract. They usually state you can't work for the end client > for a set amount of time after you end the contract with them. > > Adrian > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Rawlins - Think Blue > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 11 April 2007 16:58 > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Contract rates > > > Hello Rich, > > A couple of years back I did a fair amount of contracting, it wasn't for > ColdFusion development work, more of a technical type roll doing networking > installations and client support, things like that. I know for sure that I > was earning more than the other guys on the job, all of them had come in > through an umbrella company, and I as an independent. > > From my experience on many jobs like this, and those experiences of other > contractors that I know, you're best bet is to ditch the agency, they serve > a purpose in winning you the initial contract, but after winning -yourself- > your first extension or renewal the agency should be taken out of the loop. > It doesn't cost them much to keep you in that position, so for them to cream > a cut off the top for such a long time is a little cheeky. > > If you were hopping from job to job than its fair enough that they take a > profit, but on such a long standing position which let's face it should > really be classed as 'permanent' then I think they need to go, room 101 for > the agency! *pulls the lever. > > Hope that helps, > > Rob > > -----Original Message----- > From: RichL [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 11 April 2007 16:44 > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Contract rates > > Hello guys > > I was hoping to get a feeling from you guys of what the average hourly rate > is for a Coldfusion developer working on development and maintenance of > fairly complex applications. > > My situation is that I have been working for the same client for nearly two > years with several contract extensions, initially at a rate of £23 an hour, > with a rise to £26.50 at some point during my time with the client. There is > another contractor here that started just before me and I am fairly sure > that we are on a similar hourly rate. > > We were both new to contracting and took that job at the hourly rate > advertised by the agency. I think that the contact at the agency also knows > that we are both fairly new to contracting (but not new to > Coldfusion) and the agent was very reluctant to offer any more of an > increase in hourly rate past £26.50. We are both involved in fairly complex > and important applications and now have a proven track record of a fairly > decent standard of work here. > > More recently, a new contractor was taken on to help develop some new work. > He is more experienced at contracting and made more demands on the agent in > terms of an hourly rate and I have found out from him that he is on a rate > of about £35 an hour for doing very similar development work. I am not sure > if this extra amount that is being paid is being taken from the agent's cut > of the client's payments or whether the agent has negotiated more money from > the client. My instinct is that it is perhaps being taken from the agent's > cut but I could well be wrong, that is just a guess. > > The work here is good and I would like to stay here. My contract is up for > renewal in May and I have been told that there is a fairly good chance of a > fairly lengthy renewal (e.g. 6 months) and the work that I will be involved > in is fairly high profile. > > I would like to get some feedback from people about how to go about > negotiating a healthy increase, to be on a similar rate to that of the new > contractor. I don't want to play too hardball and risk losing the contract > but I do have a proven record of work here and I know that my services will > be quite valued for some new development work and I am now also aware that > somebody else is being paid quite a lot more money for working on very > similar parts of development. > > The other thing that I am considering doing is working through a limited > company as opposed to using an umbrella company to process my payroll, tax > etc. I would like to hear some feedback from other contractors who are > working mainly for one client, working mainly on the client site about how > they are operating e.g. through a limited company or via an umbrella company > and also any feedback or experience relating to IR35 if working through a > limited company in this kind of situation. > > All feedback would be very gratefully received. Please email me personally > if you wish to discuss more personal points or if you are not happy to > discuss things such as hourly rates openly on a discussion list. > > Many thanks > Rich > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Upgrade to Adobe ColdFusion MX7 Experience Flex 2 & MX7 integration & create powerful cross-platform RIAs http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJQ Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:275054 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
