No I haven’t heard of scribble template. I'll definitely have to check into 
that one. Thanks.

It has been a looong time since I fealt like I was "learning" anything in 
photoshop so maybe I just don’t remember how hard/easy it was to learn I 
think that maybe that is just the way you feel about CFEclipse? You just 
don’t remember what it was like to not know anything about it. People that 
are new to it just really seem to have a hard time for a day or two with it. If 
they stick to it though and get through those first few days and obstacles, 
they are usually OK... but most just go back to what they know rather than 
waste the time figuring it out.

I still think DW is just a big, glamorized notepad with a list-view of files 
and much easier for the average Joe to pick up than CFEclipse. :-/

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Bobby Hartsfield
http://acoderslife.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Kotek [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 12:44 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CF Editor

On 6/25/07, Bobby Hartsfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> If someone asks a question on this list and I plan to offer a working 
> example, I'd rather just open up a blank page and write one, test it, 
> make sure it works and post it here... not add it to a project and 
> definitely not version control. There are plenty of instances that you 
> might want to just create a quick test CFM file like this. "You" being 
> the general population and not you personally.


Maybe you aren't aware of the CFEclipse scribble template? It will let you test 
out code and run it at the press of a button (I use F8). I use it all the time 
for quick tests. Though if it ends up being anything useful at all, it gets 
organized into my Tests project (and SVN repo of course) for future use. I have 
a giant library of random tests and hacks that I go back to all the time when a 
similar problem comes up.

Dreamweaver: double click a cfm file anywhere on the machine.. edit and
> save.
> CFEClipse: open Eclipse, change to CFEclipse view if you aren't 
> already there find the file in the list view THEN finally open it, 
> edit it and save (and in your case... possibly commit).
>
> Come on...


I guess I just don't ever do this. If I'm working on code, I'm working on code. 
Eclipse is open, the projects are there. The "double click, edit, and save" 
that folks are used to in Dreamweaver is not, to me at least, a very useful way 
of working. If it is anything important, anything at all, it is committed to 
SVN and in all likelihood a unit test is run on it before it is committed 
(using what else but the built-in unit testing tab of CFEclipse).


> I'm not saying CFEClipse sucks or anything. I use it daily :-) I'm 
> just saying that there is no way you would expect an individual who 
> has never used CFEclipse or Dreamweaver to think that CFEclipse was 
> easier than Dreamweaver.


I never said it was easier than Dreamweaver. I just said it isn't much harder 
to use than Dreamweaver.

What photoshop has to do with editing CF code I don't know.


I meant that Photoshop is an example of a program with a very steep learning 
curve, far beyond what it takes to learn CFEclipse. When I think of a steep 
learning curve, I think of Photoshop.




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