You have to use the Thin client and then it works fine. Eric
-----Original Message----- From: James Holmes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2007 2:38 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Adobe Nails ColdFusion Cofin Unless the Oracle supplied driver has changed recently, some things don't work the same as the DataDirect CF Oracle driver, like stored procs returning results from ref cursors and BLOBS. If it has changed, great. On 7/31/07, Mark Mandel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Charles, > > Why not just use Standard, and use the free JDBC drivers you can > download from Oracle themselves, and just make an 'other' connection? > > What's the problem with that? > > I hate to say this, I have to wonder - if your business is complaining > about paying ~10K for their server software, (or less), then you > probably struggle to qualify for the 'enterprise' target that > ColdFusion really is targeted for. (and most of us aren't, we're just > paying for upgrades). > > Maybe I'm too far removed from the bean counters (and that is quite > possible), but I actually am quite confused by all of this noise. > > I'm actually sitting back and looking at all the new features that > were put in Standard, which is meant for people who aren't enterprise, > and going 'cool! loads of new stuff, without a price hike... nice work > for targeting those that aren't enterprise, and essentially giving > them more for less cost in a product'. > > Mark > > On 7/31/07, Charles E. Heizer1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > So, I have to agree with Dale... Adobe has put a bullet in CF. For example, Standard Edition would be fine for me but I need Oracle access and now I need to pay twice that just to do supported Oracle connectivity. We are an enterprise and when I discussed this with management they came back and said we should just invest our time in ASP.NET. We can retrain our developers, and not worry about buying upgrades and we'll get new features as they come out. You know, I don't disagree with them. I just recently started playing with Visual Studio .Net, and it's far easier to write web services and create great web content. > > > > Adobe thanks for the memories, a user/developer since version 4.5. > > > > - Charles > > > > > > On 7/30/07 5:27 AM, "Adam Haskell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I want to echo what Sean said...I looked at CF8 and thought, "wow finally a > > product that I would really label Enterprise." Not to say CF7 wasn't > > Enterprise, it had some great features and was a great release, but I think > > the monitoring and some of the Administration changes helped make it really > > enterprise friendly. Thats not mentioning the performance enhancements, > > exchange integration (which currently means nothing to Lotus Shops bleh), > > and whole suite of ajax tools that really make CF shine as a UI web layer > > for large Java apps. > > > > You have to look at this product and realize enterprise is worthless to you > > unless you really need super scalability. Standard has it all, albeit > > limited/throttled. Sure cfthread and exchange integration and PDF (?) are > > throttled but they are available and until you have 100+ (dare I say > > probably more) concurrent users using the exact same functionality > > Enterprise means very little. Its like a computer, my Mom doesn't need a > > dual core 64bit AMD with 2gig of ram and 256mb dedicate graphics card > > running iSCSI to send me pictures and read email (unless she is running > > Vista then she might ;) ). Gone are the days where you have to have > > enterprise to play with those nifty event gateways. If enterprise looks to > > expensive to you then you probably don't need it, or you need to look at > > some other Enterprise software costs and revisit in 15 minutes. Hell I say > > that single move by Adobe to offer a more complete Standard Edition will > > open more doors for ColdFusion than any single feature. I say Bravo! > > > > Adam Haskell > > > > On 7/30/07, Sean Corfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > On 7/29/07, Michael Dinowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > As for your post on CF 8 being a dead product because of the price > > > > increase, note that the increase if for Enterprise. How many people > > > > here (other than me) actually use or need enterprise. > > > > > > Me! > > > > > > To be honest, the difference between $3,000/CPU and $3,750/CPU is > > > pretty negligible in an enterprise world. For the - new-in-8 - > > > (multi-)server monitoring and RDS/Admin user management features, > > > unlimited CFTHREAD and unlimited MS Exchange integration, that extra > > > $750/CPU is well worth it (as well as the general reasons Enterprise > > > is worth paying more for: unlimited event gateways, PDF/document > > > services, reporting etc). > > > > > > The key thing everyone should be rejoicing about is that Standard > > > Edition includes: event gateways, pdf/document services, cfthread, MS > > > Exchange integration, reporting, presentation generation. There would > > > be a lot of complaints if these were Enterprise only features. There > > > were plenty of complaints around CFMX 7 because event gateways were > > > Enterprise-only! > > > -- > > > Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN > > > An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ > > > > > > "If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive." > > > -- Margaret Atwood > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade to ColdFusion 8 and integrate with Adobe Flex http://www.adobe.com/products/coldfusion/flex2/?sdid=RVJP Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:284974 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
