thanks but I already had gotten it and posted it as solved, i ended up with

order by left(serial, 4) asc, abs(mid(serial, 5,3)) asc 



>If ordering by the Left() and Right() don't work, can you Select
>Left(SerialNum,4) as sYear, Right(SerialNum,Length(SerialNum)-4) as sNum and
>then order by sYear, sNum?
>Been a while since I've worked in mysql, but several of the suggestions here
>look like they should be working. 

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