I don't think there's really *any* IDE that I think is worth $300 currently, since there are really good free and low-cost options available.
I'm not a coder who would benefit from all the functionality that CFBuilder (or CFEclipse, for that matter) offers, since I don't need the "high-end" functionality that some coders on this list would benefit from. But I, like others, was quite shocked when the price tag for a plug-in was revealed as $300, same as Dreamweaver. Perhaps it really should be $300 if it took 40% of your "resources" (whatever that is...hours of work?...development budget?) to get the product out. And how much income does "1/30th that of ColdFusion Server" represent? And I wonder how long it took Mark Drew to write CFEclipse as a "part-time" project apart from his day job? One part-time coder versus 40% of Adobe's "resources". Adobe took what...a year and a half to get CFBuilder created as a plug-in, with Eclipse already existing as a foundation and CFEclipse as a reference model? (Maybe the coders took longer than they should) It would definitely put things into proper perspective to know what Adobe's investment in monetary terms has been as compared to projected revenue. But Adobe doesn't have to justify anything to me, as Dave Watts has pointed out. They do, however, have to enable me to justify spending the money on a product that's offered. Just one thing that would have probably caused me to purchase CFB...inclusion of state-sustaining, manual code folding. But that's just something I personally have desired...doesn't seem to be a desired feature for many others. That functionality, alone, is worth $300 to me to increase my productivity in navigating increasingly complex and lengthy pages. I would pay $300 to get that functionality added to CFEclipse...and I probably will at some point. I'd code it myself if I had a clue of how to do it. Thanks for listening... Rick -----Original Message----- From: Adrocknaphobia [mailto:adrocknapho...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 12:06 PM To: cf-talk Subject: Re: ColdFusion Builder Released! Rick, I'm still curious to know what a $299 IDE would constitute in your opinion. This entire thread has been about price and price alone, with a single mention of feature or worth. For the record (and I hope I don't get in trouble to for this in print), the projected revenue of ColdFusion Builder is 1/30th that of ColdFusion Server, yet we devoted nearly 40% of our resources to build it... you tell me if that math sounds like "making as high a return as possible with every product". You've got the wrong opinion about Adobe, the ColdFusion team and myself. It's easy to paint Adobe as some big evil corporate entity but I speak for myself and the CF team when I say our number one goal is to empower our customers to create. -Adam On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 11:50 AM, Rick Faircloth <r...@whitestonemedia.com>wrote: > > Realize, that "I" haven't stated that the shareholders are greedy...that's > simply the reason (in different terms) that others have offered as an > explanation for the high price of CFB. > > If I knew for a fact that they were making a reasonable profit at $299, > I'd have no complaint...you've got to recoup investment and *some* profit. > > But others in this discussion have suggested that it's the shareholders who > insist on making as high a return as possible with every product. I don't > know that for a fact, so I wouldn't so it was so. > > And as to the reasoning that Adobe is simply trying to "sweeten the deal" > by providing a copy of CFB to the Flash Builder community for $50 is quite > insulting to those of us who are not Flash Builder users. Adobe, in that > case, > would simply be charging a premium to those of us who don't use Flash > Builder > to subsidize what amount to almost a giveaway to the Flash Builder > community. > > Yes, I feel aggravated by that and somewhat indignant, if the above is > true. > I'd think the first community Adobe would want to offer a substantial > discount > for CFB would those who own CF Server. (And realize, that wouldn't benefit > me, > since I use a VPS offered by a hosting company and no longer own a CF > server > beyond 4.2) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:332115 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
