I emailed my old ISP last year to complain about their open relay, since I was getting
bounced emails, and they had no idea what an open relay was even when I pointed them to
relevant info. So while incompetent is a strong word it can be appropriate in certain
instances.

        John

-----Original Message-----
From: BILLY CRAVENS [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 1:27 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: OT: SPAM lists?


No disrespect intended, but I would say that you should have been aware of
the potential issues.

"Lazy" and "incompetent" are strong terms.  Perhaps "irresponsibly
negligent" is better.

If someone spreads viruses because their virus scanner didn't tell them they
had to update it, that's negligence.  If someone doesn't patch IIS and
spreads CodeRed, Nimda, et al,  to everyone and their dog, that's
negligence.  Negligence and innocence are not synonymous.

You are responsible for the consequences of your configuration.

---
Billy Cravens

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bryan Stevenson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 12:16 PM
Subject: Re: OT: SPAM lists?


> Well Len thanks for calling me lazy and incompetent.  Until I got
> blacklisted I did not know about open relays.  So how does that put me in
> either category?  The mail server I was running had no documentation about
> the possible abuse of or even the existence of open relays.  I'm the first
> to admit that my face was red when I found out that the situation existed
> and I dropped everything else I was doing and fixed it immeadiately.  I
can
> guarantee you that had I received a warning, it would certainly would have
> "energized" me to deal with the situation.
>
> Please watch those blanket statements in the future...because I am far
from
> lazy or incompetent...you weenie ;-)
>
> Bryan Stevenson
> VP & Director of E-Commerce Development
> Electric Edge Systems Group Inc.
> p. 250.920.8830
> e. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>

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