Pete Freitag wrote:
> yeah, Java does not suck at GUI design!  As far as programming interfac
es
> go, it's the best I've seen, with Pluggable Look and Feel, and robust f
orm
> control abstractions.

Pluggable Look and Feel and form control abstractions are code concepts. 
They have nothing to do do with how a widget looks. From a code 
standpoint Swing is very nice to work with, but the the way the code 
looks still has absolutely nothing to do with the way it looks on 
screen. I haven't tried every visual Java IDE, but VisualAge and 
NetBeans both really are no competition to Visual Studio.net or Delphi, 
which are decent but, comparing them to the Flash GUI they lose. 
Admittedly Flash has to do much much less of a scope, but Macromedia has 
always been a GUI focuesed company. If Macrommedia is looking to broaden 
Flash's scope into application design, I think it would be very 
exciting, which was what my whole very speculative post was about.

> 
> The first versions of Java may have sucked, but its WAY better now. Don
't be
> close minded about Java,

I'll try to remember not to be close minded about java, when I start 
reading the posts to the Netbeans list I am subscribed to in a bit.

> it runs more than applets these days (the next
> version of ColdFusion for one).

I wasn't aware ColdFusion had an GUI.

jon


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael T. Tangorre [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 10:07 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: Jeremy Allaire interview on DevX
> 
> 
> JAVA sucks in GUI design??
> Interesting. I think the tools available allow for fast, creative GUIs.
> 
> Could just be because I like JAVA and use JAVA as much as CF.
> 
> 
> 
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Jon Hall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>>
>>
>>Java just sucks all around in GUI design.
>>
> 
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