the trouble about making general statements is people arguing the point with edge-cases.
yes, there will always be simple sites that use server-generated HTML and there will always be controlled conditions (intranets) that will allow for specialised solutions. and I'm not talking about developing solutions today. - cross-platform is not just an ideal. it's a reality - we ain't seen nothing yet (and this includes productivity) and andrew, I don't disagree with the right person for the right job, but that's not what I was saying. On 4/27/07, Haikal Saadh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Pundits Preaching the Passing of HTML have been Persistently Proven Pungent. > > No one size fits all solution for anything, IMO. Vanilla HTML does > somethings very well, and adding fluff, in the form of AJAX/flash > wizardry on serves to get in my way. > > That said, there are things where a liberal sprinkling of ajax makes it > much easier to use. > > And there are also cases where a full blown RIA make sense. > > Barry Beattie wrote: > > this thread didn't really go where I hoped... Angus Johnson and Andrew > > Muller got closest (thanx guys) > > > > (and it looks like it's degraded into the typical off-topic slanging > > match that [many people] are well and truly over) > > > > so before it collapses into a steaming pile of poo... Getting back to > > Flex and CF (especially since Flex is for front-end UI's and CF is a > > server technology) > > > > - HTML is as good as dead! well, not really but if you're working on > > a webapp using far too much DHTML (if it's got tabs and child windows) > > it'll be as good as redundant and old fashioned in 12 months time. If > > the company you're working for has no strategy for Flex and will > > persevere with the same tired old HTML, beat the rush and get out now > > (IMHO) > > > > - AJAX is dead (as above). Except in particular situations why bother > > when Flex will do it all? (http://developerdispatch.com/?p=253 "Why > > ActionScript 3.0 Changes Everything") > > > > - Accessibility enhancements (especially with screenreaders like JAWS) > > has just taken a back-seat. MACR were making good in-roads in this > > area but still had a way to go. If it's left to the community to > > drive, it won't get any further. it's just not sexy enough or bring in > > the revenue to justify continued development. It's like rural > > pay-phones: needs subsidy from other profitable areas. (Lets face it, > > AJAX is NOT accessible anyway) > > > > - The best IDE we can ever hope for will be no better than > > FlexBuilder. I was heaps more productive with VB6 than I will ever be > > with an Eclipse-based IDE. I'd rather have one tool that did it all > > 100% well than have to juggle a bunch of plug-ins, each working 80% > > well and each having their own quirks (mark this down to personal > > preference, I suppose). > > > > two more points: > > > > I've mentioned this at CFUG's but it's worth repeating: > > - it's now time for CF'ers to step up to the mark on application > > design (and this means upskilling from their HTML-based > > request/response mindset). Who understands more about application > > development, networking, security, robustness and load, et al: a CF > > programmer or a Flash designer? > > > > finally: > > - one aspect of the community involvement that worries me is the > > dividing line on who does what - buck passing. An example - CFEclipse: > > you'd think that the CF dictionary definitions for it would come from > > Adobe, but no, it's expected that that the community will provide. > > Why? And CF is a cash cow for Adobe? > > > > eh, my 2c only. your mileage may vary. > > barry.b > > > > PS: > > Mike Chambers a cfaussie member? that's news to me. > > I'm not knocking this, just surprised he's at all interested in a > > bunch of CF'ers on the other side of the world... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
