No harm no foul. As Scott stated Microsoft is a big company with 70k employees but there's a handful of us at MS that are passionate about design, Web development, RIA development and simply a company that makes tools and technology that is relevant to what people do here. I'd characterize this as a journey versus a destination and it's why folks like Scott and myself (Former IBM creative guy, stop laughing, and Adobe partner) are at a company like Microsoft.
Cheers, Chris On Oct 7, 11:22 pm, Leon Seremelis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well, I guess my statement was a bit harsh.. a couple of you were quite nice. > > Maybe I was put off because you were all "Microsoft". ;) > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris > Bernard > Sent: Monday, 8 October 2007 2:04 PM > To: cfaussie > Subject: [cfaussie] Re: MAX 2007 > > a-holes? Really? :) Leon, I think I was at that fine Adobe provided > lunch at MAX. I can suspect the subject matter of our lunch could be > bit off-putting and I hope we didn't offend you but it was just good > old evanglist talk and it wasn't half as bad as when I'm actually > eating with Adobe evanglists too (I'll protect the guilty here by not > naming names). > > We enjoyed your company very much and had we been in the right venue > we would have provided a pint or two as well. As for Barnes, I'll let > him fill in the rest but I don't think personally there is anyone in > the States that has done more to make sure that Barnes loses his cell- > phone when he's visting or gets into heaps of trouble both inside and > outside of work (in good ways and bad). Perhaps it didn't come across > as sarcasm but everyone that you ate with that day more or less loves > Barnes, and if folks don't like his methods in MS than they probably > don't like mine either. > > Scott's one of the reasons that working at Microsoft is so much fun > and why the RIA space is so exciting. As a profession we're lucky to > have him and I don't think it matters a lick that he's pulling a > paycheck from Microsoft versus his previous life slinging CF code. > It's fun sometimes to pick sides in this whole Adobe/Microsoft thing > but the bottomline is that the ecosystem is better served when > multiple competitors are working in the same space to drive > innovation. Mature companies get this and welcome it (although > sometimes they need a kick in the pants )and smart practitioners know > it's not the platform or tools that make a great developer but their > brains. What makes Scott unique is that he's one of a handfull of > people in this space that I think can talk credibly about it as he's > immersed himself in both sides. > > Now perhaps I like Scott so much because I only get to see him a few > times a year but be that as it may let's not presume Scott's an island > in the world of Microsoft. Nothing could be further from the truth and > folks presume that they're excluding themselves from a good source of > knowledge about this business. > > For future reference, if anyone hears me trash talking Shane Morris > please understand. I love him too! Those of you that get to SxSW on > this list next March, please look me up. > > Chris Bernard > User Experience Evangelist, Microsoftwww.designthinkingdigest.com > > On Oct 7, 5:42 pm, Leon Seremelis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > Well, to tell you the truth the Microsoft guys seemed like a bunch of > > a-holes. But yeah, there you have it you're famous. :) > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > > Scott Barnes > > Sent: Monday, 8 October 2007 1:02 AM > > To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com > > Subject: [cfaussie] Re: MAX 2007 > > > Thanks for the kind words bazza - payment's coming ;) heh. > > > We have around 70,000+ employees here at Microsoft world wide, and so > > i'm bound to get on a few of their nerves :) > > > I think I know whom the folks in question were and yeah we don't get a > > long (welcome to the office politics). Basically if you think I'm > > punchy towards Adobe via the public forum(s) you should see what i'm > > like internally... (they've all learnt fast I have a unique way and > > let him be). > > > I want Silverlight, WPF etc all to be better, and we aren't done by > > any stretch. In the process, a few toes / ego's get stepped on and > > they can cry about it at dinner tables @ competitor events in front of > > customers (which is poor form) or they can build a bridge and get over > > it :) either way the folks with whom I do interact / care about are > > the *actual* decision makers of the products. > > > Anywho, suprised I'm the topic of a lunch conversation half away > > around the world? > > > What was Sean Corfields signature again? "If you're not annoying > > somebody, you're not really alive" - Margaret Atwood > > > On 10/5/07, Barry Beattie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Oh, and a little OT side-note, I was sitting with a bunch of Microsoft > > > > guys during lunch one day and the topic of Scott Barnes came up. > > > > Didn't seem to like him very much. > > > > at least he's made an impression on them - which is true all the way > > > up to Scott Guthrie. Harry M. Miller would be the first person to > > > agree that the only bad press coverage is none at all... > > > > actually this is a benefit to Microsoft - if you'll allow me to go > > > thru the thinking... I know Barnes, worked with the guy - he haunts me > > > around every corner, being in the same city 'n' all > > > > If Barnes is on-form, he'll be stiring the bejesus out of people, just > > > to get people thinking - getting "mossy". Microsoft has so many holes > > > that a good bit of shaking could wake them up to smell the roses. > > > > "Like"? sounds like an old-boy's network disapproving of someone from > > > outside because they're not like them. Someone hired Barnes knowing > > > full well what he's like. It's not hard to find his incredibly acidic > > > old blog posts, especially since I was sitting right next to him - > > > going thru the same experiences - watching him document them. And he's > > > *still* there in a MS chair... > > > > Nah, Barnes (as a concept) is a cunning plan, Baldric. At the very > > > least it's entertainment... > > > -- > > Regards, > > Scott Barneshttp://www.mossyblog.com-Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. 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