If it's not an application server then what would you call something that runs the following:
A custom built Corporate content management system which supplies content to 23 internet/intranet/extranet's for a single Federal Government Department all running on a Mach-ii shared code base sitting on 2 IIS load balanced servers, the CMS is on it's own IIS server, I'm pretty sure it isn't IIS compiling and serving those pages. R On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 12:31 PM, CyberAngel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Dale, > > You just answered your question, forget about Application server will you > it > is not an application server. > > Coldfusion as a product is there to serve your cfml, and when a request > comes in from the Application Server and is sent to Coldfusion what is > asking for. > > A page, not an application a page:-) > > Coldfusion then takes that request, does what it has to deliver the > content > back to the request. > > Does it deliver an entire Application, I think not. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf > Of Dale Fraser > Sent: Tuesday, 6 May 2008 6:57 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion Isn't a Programming Language? > > > My point is, > > That you keep refusing to answer the questions, because you know your > wrong. > > Unless you tell me that you didn't buy ColdFusion to serve your CFML or > tell > me what ColdFusion is doing for you if it's not serving your application, > then you have proven my point. > > ColdFusion is Serving Your Applications. Kinda sounds like an Application > Server > > Regards > Dale Fraser > http://learncf.com > http://flexcf.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf > Of CyberAngel > Sent: Monday, 5 May 2008 3:58 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion Isn't a Programming Language? > > > Dale, > > Like I stated in another post, your question is answered with the fact > that > Coldfusion as a product can be deployed onto any supported Application > Server. > > What's your point now. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf > Of Dale Fraser > Sent: Tuesday, 6 May 2008 5:27 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion Isn't a Programming Language? > > > Andrew, > > Yes I know it's all smoke and mirrors, you seem to think I don't know that > JRUN is underneath it all, but you are still missing the whole point. > Your > just digging yourself a deeper hole, the whole marketing conspiracy is a > bit > much frankly. > > So rather than another ramble. Just answer these two questions. > > 1. If ColdFusion the PRODUCT isn't an Application Server then what is it. > 2. If ColdFusion the PRODUCT isn't serving your application, what product > did you purchase to serve your applications. > > Regards > Dale Fraser > http://learncf.com > http://flexcf.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf > Of CyberAngel > Sent: Monday, 5 May 2008 2:50 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion Isn't a Programming Language? > > > Dale, > > Coldfusion as a product as you put it beyond the scope of what you're > arguing about. > > Whether I purchased Coldfusion and not JRun, doesn't make Coldfusion an > Application Server. > > Let's look at this a bit deeper. > > Regardless of the Application Server, a servlet is needed to run the code. > In this case it is actually a cfmServelet. This servelet setups filters > that > enable you to communicate via flex remote services (another servlet), LDS > (another servlet), line debugger (another servlet), reports (another > servlet) and many more. > > Together this is not an Application server. > > These are all different entry points, all have their own functions to do > what they are required to achieve. > > Coldfusion itself or as you would prefer me say the cfml engine, is a > servlet that when requested does a couple of things. It first takes the > markup and compiles it, that's right it is an interpreter. This is > dependant > of your admin settings, but can compile to classes that are actually > loaded > later. Or it can keep compiling every time it interprets the markup. > > Now for that to actually happen it has to run on an Application Server, > this > is either the standard in built JRun and on a standard install it needs > connectors between IIS/Apache to connect to and run the servlets. On an > Enterprise solution, it is run as a war/ear on top of any supported > Application server. > > Whichever way you look at it, the cfmServlets job is to compile the markup > and provide a mechanism to the load that compiled code into the > Application > Server. Coldfusion is nothing more than a mechanism to deliver content, > the > problem arises when you can provide a lot of libraries to help you along > the > way. Hence your package of Coldfusion. > > Now, when I download Coldfusion I have the ability to chose the type of > install. > > These include Multiserver, Standard or Enterprise. > > With the exception of Enterprise, which packages Coldfusion to run on > another Application server. The other 2 require JRun which is installed by > the installer. > > Now I could do this. > > I could go and get grails, and I could get jasper reports, iText and a > number of other products. I could write servlets for these and create an > application. Ooops I have done that, sorry can't name the product just > yet. > And release it as Blowfusion, sorry needed the piss. > > Now even though that application has a sole purpose, the one that I can't > talk about. It has the ability to be extended using JSP, Grails or now > even > Coldfusion with the help of the smith engine and OpenBD. But I will not > call > it an Application Server, because the definition of server is to serve, > not > write code or compile code or even interpret code. Oh wait it has to > interpret code so that it can run it, oops my bad. > > Dale, you see marketing is just that. It is there to make us believe > something and hype up a product to more than it actually is. Then we get > people come along who have done nothing but believe that hype. > > I could if I wanted, get a car shell and place it around a motor bike. And > market it as a 2 wheel car, why because that's what it looks like. But is > it > really a 2 wheel car or is it a motor bike masquerading as a car? > > Coldfusion as a product is masquerading as an Application Server, because > the marketing department don't want you to know that JRun is actually the > Application Server that is doing all the work. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf > Of Dale Fraser > Sent: Tuesday, 6 May 2008 4:00 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [cfaussie] Re: ColdFusion Isn't a Programming Language? > > > Still you don't get it. > > So just explain to me, if ColdFusion isn't serving your applications, what > is it doing for you. > > Correct me if I'm wrong, but I assume you purchased the ColdFusion PRODUCT > and not JRUN. > > Regards > Dale Fraser > http://learncf.com > http://flexcf.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. 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