Just in case anyone is interested,

Today I did a test to answer my original question; "Does data in the
application and server scopes get stored in the
"tenured" generation memory, or the "permanent" generation memory?"

I found that Application, Session and Server scopes all stored their
'data' in the "Tenured" generation space. The "permanent" generation
is in fact used just for information about the data, 'classes' etc.
Our site is in fact very large (university website) with lots of
different classes, and our "permanent" generation was only using about
50 meg of the 250 meg allocated for it.

Note that we run JRun4 with the Sun 1.4.2 JVM and Coldfusion 7.

Barry

On Nov 11, 5:14 pm, Pat Branley <pbran...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Guys
>
> I was having a JVM problem with an app that was partially (MG/Reactor/
> ColdSpring) and paritally old-school CF this last week and did 3
> things
>
> 1. update to the latest JVM - JVM 1.6 update 
> 16http://corfield.org/blog/index.cfm/do/blog.entry/entry/Java_6_and_Col...
>
> 2. set the garbage collection to run every 10 
> minuteshttp://www.cfwhisperer.com/post.cfm/sun-jvm-1-6-heap-memory-behavior-...http://www.webapper.com/blog/index.php/2006/06/08/20060606021131/
>
> 3. Update to CF 8.0.1 updater 
> 3http://fusiongrokker.com/archives/category/coldfusion-8
>
> The first 2 seemed to stop the 'out of memory' errors every night, but
> no. 3 made the server actually run at a lower memory usage.
>
> Seems like there needs to be a special fullasagoog/mxna category for
> ColdFusion/JVM 'stuff'.
>
> Pat
>
> ps. while i could have used it last week, looking fwd to Cfobjective
> talk on JVM tuning this week!
>
> On Nov 8, 3:00 pm, Barry Beattie <barry.beat...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > @Steve
>
> > catch up with this guy
>
> >http://cfobjective.com.au/index.cfm?objectID=27C7E0B3-1AA0-353A-5AF4E...
>
> > he'll be in your neighborhood
>
> >http://cfobjective.com.au/index.cfm?objectID=27CD659B-1AA0-353A-5ABF2...
>
> > my 2c
>
> > On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 12:44 PM, Steve Onnis <st...@cfcentral.com.au> wrote:
> > > yep. put them all in, restarted the server and it wouldnt start
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: Mark Ireland [mailto:markinc...@hotmail.com]
> > > Sent: Sunday, 8 November 2009 12:43 PM
> > > To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
> > > Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Persistent Scopes and Memory
>
> > > You tried everything he suggested, all at once?
>
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: st...@cfcentral.com.au
> > > To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
> > > Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Persistent Scopes and Memory
> > > Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 05:17:12 +1100
>
> > > I tried this on my CF8.01 64 Bit server and the server wouldn't 
> > > restart..had
> > > to roll it back
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: Kevin Pepperman [mailto:chorno...@gmail.com]
> > > Sent: Saturday, 7 November 2009 11:21 AM
> > > To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com
> > > Subject: [cfaussie] Re: Persistent Scopes and Memory
>
> > > I believe he is referring to:
>
> > >  standard garbage collector can't collect in the permanent generation
>
> > >http://www.shadocms.com/shadozoom/company/blog/2009/jvm-perm-out-of-m...
> > > Adding the info in this post to our jvm config solved our perm gen memory
> > > issues.
>
> > >  CF is doing 'small' garbage collection and 'large' garbage collection.
>
> > > /K
> > > <BR
>
> > > ________________________________
> > > Head to the Daily Blob on Windows Live For more of what happens online

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