Personally I'm not a fan of training, its great for some people, everyone has different ways of learning, my last company offered us either several days of training a year or several days to go and study at home. I chose the latter.
I'd rather my employer (when I'm an employee) to simply say "sit at your desk and learn x for 2 days" than be in a class where its simply "copy code from a course book into a computer and not really pay too much attention to what it is" I know that isn't the idea of a course lol but its how I find them. different strokes for different folks. On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 2:11 PM, Dale Fraser <d...@fraser.id.au> wrote: > No Kai,**** > > ** ** > > I think your proposal is reasonable, its just not what I've seen here.**** > > ** ** > > It was $10k for 10 people, perhaps for 1 it would have been $2k or $3k not > sure, but $1k per person per day wasn't reasonable.**** > > ** ** > > Their justification it was less expensive than sending everyone to the > offsite course.**** > > ** ** > > Regards**** > > Dale Fraser**** > > ** ** > > http://dale.fraser.id.au**** > > ** ** > > *From:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com [mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com] *On > Behalf Of *Kai Koenig > *Sent:* Monday, 26 November 2012 11:18 PM > > *To:* cfaussie@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* Re: [cfaussie] What the ColdFusion community needs more of...** > ** > > ** ** > > Not sure sure which trainers would try to charge 1k per person per day, > that's quite outrageous.**** > > ** ** > > However, Dale - to expect a good trainer to charge you 1k for a day and > you can put 10 people in the room is quite unrealistic, too.**** > > ** ** > > Instructing is always a balance from a trainer's point of view:**** > > ** ** > > a) Opportunity cost (if one could earn 1k per day from development work, > why would they offer a training for the same rate)**** > > ** ** > > b) Teach-yourself-out-of-work cost: Why would one train other developers > "to do their job" for only a small amount of money more than doing > development work themselves.**** > > ** ** > > Just to give you an idea, depending on the technology I personally charge > between 1500-2000 per day for in-house training plus all travel and > accommodation cost. That would usually cover a group of up to 6 people, if > the client wants to put more people into the course there'd be additional > charges. This model seems to work very well. If you happen to find that too > expensive for quality tuition that'd be fair enough; we just won't get > together then based on such a model :-)**** > > ** ** > > Please note that this all refers to inhouse-training only. Training booked > and provided through a 3rd part training company with "publicly" held and > bookable courses is a totally different game again.**** > > ** ** > > Cheers**** > > Kai**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > > > **** > > Not through their training partners. > > The problem with training guys is they want $1k per person per day > > Why should they earn $10k per day. Adobe should pay a trainer $1k per day > and let heaps of people go for free. > > I tried to organise similar training once, pay the trainer a good daily > rate > and get them to train 10 people, but no trainer is greedy and wants a per > person fee. > > Sorry no dice. > > Regards > Dale Fraser > > http://dale.fraser.id.au > > -----Original Message----- > From: cfaussie@googlegroups.com > [mailto:cfaussie@googlegroups.com<cfaussie@googlegroups.com>] > On Behalf > Of Barry Beattie > Sent: Monday, 26 November 2012 6:10 PM > To: cfaussie@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: [cfaussie] What the ColdFusion community needs more of... > > > **** > > On another note who in the world can take 10 weeks off full time to do *** > * > > such a course.**** > > > the unemployed, students, etc. I was four months unemployed last year. > I was three months unemployed (thanks, Can-Do Campbell!) until recently. It > happens. > > > **** > > If Adobe were to sponsor / subsidise this it would be a different story.** > ** > > > now you're talking, although it would have to be through their training > partners, surely to keep them onside?**** > > > -- > Kai Koenig - Ventego Creative Ltd > ph: +64 4 889 3626 - mob: +64 21 928 365 / +61 435 179 091 > web: http://www.ventego-creative.co.nz > > Blog in Black: http://www.bloginblack.de > 2DDU Podcast: http://www.2ddu.com/ > Twitter: @AgentK > -- **** > > ** ** > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "cfaussie" group. > To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en.**** > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "cfaussie" group. > To post to this group, send email to cfaussie@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > cfaussie+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/cfaussie?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "cfaussie" group. 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