I couldn't disagree with you more. Any Java programmer who would choose to
use System.out.println instead of Eclipse's (or IntelliJ's, or JBuilder's)
integrated debugger wouldn't be employed by New Atlanta for very long. One,
they would be too slow and inefficient to keep up with the rest of the team.
Two, if they're not skilled enough to know how to use a debugger, then
they're not skilled enough to work on our products.

One of the development techniques we encourage is to always step through
your code with the debugger the first time you run it. You'd be surprised
how often code gives you the correct result, but actually does it in a way
differently than you intended. A lot of latent bugs are avoided this way.

But that's just my opinion.

Vince

P.S. Don't base your opinion of CFML step debuggers on CF5 Studio. One bad
implementation that's difficult to use effectively doesn't mean they all
are.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barney Boisvert
> Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 6:37 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [CFCDev] CFEXIT or CFABORT within CFFUNCTION
> 
> > What if I could offer you a step debugger instead that 
> would allow you 
> > to set breakpoints, examine variable scopes anywhere in the call 
> > stack, etc.?
> 
> I'd probably say "don't waste your time".  CF used to have an 
> integrated debugger, and they dropped it in CFMX.  CFABORT 
> might be crude, but it's very effective.  Kind of like using 
> System.out.println() over Eclipse's integrated debugger.  
> Debuggers are hard to use effectively, and they take time 
> away from development.  Not say that they're not very 
> valuable in some situations, but most of the time all they do 
> is get in the way.
> 
> Of course, that's 100% personal opinion.  Crude illustration 
> of the concept:
> 
> "I need to kill someone.  Should I bludgen them with a 
> baseball bat, or should I carefully sedate them with 
> <something>, bring them to an operating room, anesthetize 
> them, make an incision into a vein of choice, and let them 
> bleed out (while unconcious, so they don't feel anything), 
> making sure to keep everything clean."
> 
> Cheers,
> barneyb
>


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