Sure that's fine if you have control over the typing. I use Transfer which
types all of the arguments automatically, so unless I manually override
every single getter and setter to retype them to "any", that won't work for
me. And of course, I'm not manually overriding every getter and setter. ;-)
 I agree that if you're writing or generating your own beans, that typing to
"any" is an option.


On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 8:09 AM, Peter Bell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi Brian,
> That is one solid approach. Another one (IMO no better or worse) is to type
> the arguments to any and to allow "invalid data" in the bean, running an
> isValid() on the bean to do all of the validations. There are two things I
> like about the typeless setters approach. One is that you can be much more
> granular in your error reporting, more easily. If you rely on a catch, all
> you really know is that the value entered wasn't a valid numeric or date. If
> you have a number of validations within the bean (probably composed in some
> kind of validator), you could be more granular in your checking and
> therefore in your error messages. I have come across cases where that was
> useful. I also personally use the bean to populate my form fields, so I can
> use the same code for populating the values for a first add form (using any
> defaults for a new bean instance), a second shot at an add (it shows exactly
> what you typed in - displayed in the fields again), or an edit (it shows the
> current values of the object). I find that works for me, but you do lose the
> documentation benefits of knowing what type all of your setter arguments are
> supposed to be. But I generate docs from my XML description of the object
> model (which also generates my db and synthesizes my code) and in most cases
> don't have the setter methods (or even the cfc's they're supposed to be in),
> so I gave up on making the code self documenting (as opposed to making the
> runtime system self documenting) a long time ago :-)
>
> Best Wishes,
> Peter
>
>
> On Sep 24, 2008, at 12:22 PM, Brian Kotek wrote:
>
> I have a Validator that first attempts to set the properties on the bean (I
> use a Transfer object that has been cloned so that the updates don't affect
> the real object until it is saved, but this could be done manually as well).
> If any properties fail to be set (argument type failure), I record those as
> validation errors and then move on. After the properties are set I run a
> validation on them to ensure that they conform to my rules (unique value,
> between two numbers, required, greater than/less than, etc.) and capture
> those as well. Only if the validator has no errors at this point do I save
> the object. So you don't have to type your arguments to any, you can just
> capture setter failures and treat them like any other validation failure.
>
> On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 9:11 AM, Kevan Stannard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>
>>
>> Validation discussions frequently bring up the concept of populating beans
>> with potentially invalid data then calling a bean.validate() function, but
>> something doesn't quite feel right about it for me.
>>
>> If I have a date field in my bean, then I would like it to be a real date
>> value (or an empty string meaning null), or if I have a numeric field in
>> my
>> bean then I want it to be a real numeric value. Allowing them to be
>> anything
>> entered by a user just doesn't feel right - but that is just where my head
>> is at right now.
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >
>

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