On 8 Dec 2008, at 14:14, Fritz Meissner wrote: > Could you give more detail on what you prefer in the Nabble UI ?
Sure :) In my experience, Nabble: 1) first and foremost: _excels_ at finding information, quickly, without resorting to complex search syntax: * probably thanks in part to thoughtful GUI (simple but powerful), thanks in part to Lucene etc.† * the excellence is most noticeable in the Plone fora, which are many (insert number) and varied, with a broad variety of technological and non-technological subjects and body texts 2) remains user-friendly on the rare occasions when I progress to an advanced search * the explanation <http://n2.nabble.com/help/Answer.jtp?id=31> is, at a glance, more complicated than the use ;) 3) is flexible for users; any topic, thread or message that's deemed to be in the wrong forum can be moved with ease to a more appropriate point, and: * for such movements: we need not bother moderators or managers * movement can be made by the ordinary end user, the person who made the post * permalinks are our friends. 4) is flexible for managers: * if restructuring is required, by a manager, an entire forum (or fora) may be moved * fora and sub-fora may be presented in various ways (although as I have recently experimented with setting up fora, the defaults are more than adequate) 5) is consistent: * for each message, a permalink * the corresponding message may be viewed in the mode of your choice (see below), without alteration to the URL * (compare with Google Groups, where there are myriad URLs for different representations of a single message) 6) excels at communicating and representing long URLs, with or without angle bracket enclosures * AFAIR I have _ever_ seen a broken URL in Nabble or a Nabble-produced e-mail, hats off to them 7) produces e-mails (typically, the result of an optional subscription to a topic or forum) without wrecking the author's content: * there's respect for non-wrapped lines, line breaks etc. 8) supports HTML and other richness — without putting you at a disadvantage if you prefer text/plain * I usually prefer text/plain, YMMV 9) remains simple but effective when you wish to add an image or file to a message 10) RSS feeds 11) private fora <http://n2.nabble.com/Private-forums-tp2358p1126257.html > 12) SEO <http://n2.nabble.com/help/Answer.jtp?id=27> last but not least: allows me to use my browser! In contrast: >> I find the Gmane UI to be in _horrific_ conflict with browsing >> essentials. Gmane introduces major accessibility issues to my browsing environment. Examples: * command-L fails; when I wish to enter an address, I can't use my keyboard to reach the address bar (instead, the URL changes and I'm taken _away_ from where I want to be) * arrow up fails: I can't key up to the previous message * arrow down fails: I can't key to the next message * command-[ fails: I can't browse back * command-] fails: I can't browse ahead * etc.. Their FAQ <http://gmane.org/faq.php> doesn't mention the word 'key'. <http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg01880.html > echoes my problems and <http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL > PROTECTED]/msg01881.html > observes "more and more complaints about gmane". ---- > one message at a time Three views: * Classic * List * Threaded — you'll see the options at the head of each topic. In Classic view: * we see all messages, chronologically. In List and Threaded views: * we see the subject lines of all messages in a thread * we can expand/contract any one message, expand/contract any number of consecutive or non-consecutive messages. In all views: * excessive quoting is obscured by default (hurrah!), but easily revealed. > Nabble server is m-u-ch slower I never had a problem with performance. Scheduled downtime, for maintenance, is very rare; and during such times an explanation is presented. Unscheduled downtime is exceptional, in honesty I have never experienced it. = Example = <http://n2.nabble.com/Re%3A-If-core-code-is-undocumented-it%27s-broken-%28Was%3A-where-should-developer-documentation-go-%29-tp1511898p1511898.html > is exemplary of a terribly long thread that spreads over four pages in Classic view. It becomes more legible — and changes of subjects are highlighted — in Threaded view. (Note however that plone.org have opted for embedding of Nabble fora, which which I associate some issues. I prefer non-embedded such as <http://n2.nabble.com/Nabble-Support-f1.html >.) IMHO the one major omission from Nabble is OpenID <http://n2.nabble.com/Nabble-as-an-OpenID-consumer-tt1492000.html > but AFAIK this is not omission by design. The developers simply have finer things to do at the moment :) I appreciate that Gmane is good for users who prefer news/nntp. Kind regards Graham ---- † <http://n2.nabble.com/more/PoweredBy.jtp> _______________________________________________ [email protected] mailing list unsubscribe here: http://lists.osafoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/chandler-users Chandler wiki: http://chandlerproject.org/wikihome
