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On Fri, Jan 31, 2020 at 6:09 PM Jose Mario Quintana <
[email protected]> wrote:

>  > Yes, I lost a bit dumping it when it started to take off.
>
> Oh well, it could have been a lot worse.
>
> Incidentally, recent news confirm reports from last year that the legendary
> investor, Warren Buffett, which was mentioned in the thread, was (among
> other investors) conned and "invested" $340M in a shady "green" company,
>
> A couple pleaded guilty to scamming Warren Buffett as part of a $1 billion
> Ponzi scheme
>
> https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/couple-admit-scamming-warren-buffett-1-billion-ponzi-scheme-2020-1-1028844728
>
> This is not the first giant "green" company that bites the dust (Solyndra
> and A123 come to mind); but, to my knowledge, is the only one so far where
> the upper management has pleaded guilty of criminal activity.
>
> Back to shorting securities... This is a tricky business.  An ex-colleague
> illustrated some of the issues by posing what he called "An Angel problem."
>  An (infallible) angel makes an apparition and tells you (and only you)
> today, for example, that the closing price of Tesla on July 31, 2020, will
> be exactly $345.67.  What would you do?
>
> His point was that, even with (partial) exact information in one's
> possession, the problem is far from trivial.  Then again, in principle
> (that is, if one does the homework properly), considering including short
> positions in one's portfolio cannot hurt.
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 8:03 PM Devon McCormick <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >
> > Yes, I lost a bit dumping it when it started to take off.
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 7:36 PM Donna Y <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > >> Tesla short sellers lose more than $1.5 billion in one day as stock
> > > skyrockets on earnings
> > >
> > > Donna Y
> > > [email protected]
> > >
> > >
> > > > On Jan 30, 2020, at 7:22 PM, Jose Mario Quintana <
> > > [email protected]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Full disclosure: I have a short position on Tesla.
> > > >
> > > > I trust you dumped your short position in a timely fashion:
> > > >
> > > > July 25 $222.82; today $640.81
> > > >
> > > > :)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 1:31 PM Devon McCormick <[email protected]>
> > > wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> Actually, "Ponzi scheme" is inaccurate - it's more of an accounting
> > > scam.
> > > >> Full disclosure: I have a short position on Tesla.
> > > >>
> > > >> On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 1:23 PM Devon McCormick <[email protected]
> >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> Funny you should mention Buffet when Berkshire Hathaway has lately
> been
> > > >>> under-performing the S&P 500:
> > > >>> https://www.fool.com/in
> > > > vesting/2017/07/23/an-interesting-chart-about-berkshire-hathaway.aspx
> > > >>> .
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Musk is even funnier - he's basically running a Ponzi scheme with
> > > Tesla.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 1:20 PM Raul Miller <[email protected]
> >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 1:16 PM Devon McCormick <
> [email protected]
> >
> > > >>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>> In the Wikipedia article on Bill Miller, it says "[his fund's]
> > > >>>> ...after-fee
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> You've heard of Warren Buffett, though?
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Or, for that matter Elon Musk?
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Thanks,
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> --
> > > >>>> Raul
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> > > >>>
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> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>
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