(Switching to chat forum) Why does Apple do this?
Talking about emergent behavior of a large organization is... tricky. But, here are some issues: (1) Employee turnover and limitations. (2) Malware and security issues. (3) User feedback and complaints. (4) Management practices and failure modes, decisions and compromises. (5) Government pressures and requirements (many governments, since they're international). (6) Internet cultures and misunderstandings. (7) Profitability concerns and fads. (8) Physical limitations of the equipment. I'm just scratching the surface here. But they do have a lot of issues that they need to be dealing with other than software development. There's a lot of problems, and many do not have good resolutions. For some issues, you just have to take a different approach. Take care, -- Raul On Mon, Aug 30, 2021 at 2:24 PM J. Patrick Harrington <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Rob, > > Thanks for pointing me in the right direction. I am running Mac OS 11.1 > Big Sur, I had encountered this (stupid) behavior before, when I > couldn't drag files onto the desktop, so I should have noticed that it > was the location of the file on the Desktop that was the issue. The > reason I thought it was a jqt issue was that when I tried jconsole, it > was able to copy the file from Desktop without problems, and j902 jqt > had no problems either. So indeed, with j903 jqt, if I copy the file to > /Users/jph instead of /Users/jph/Desktop, the read is fine. > > I looked at the article you referenced but wasn't able to fix the > problem. Going to Security & Privacy --> Privacy, selecting "Files and > Folders" shows the apps that have access, but I can't add anything to > the list. If I choose "Full Disk Access", then I can use + to add other > items. But selecting jqt or jqt.app doesn't help. I thought j903/bin/Qt > might be the thing, but it leads down a rabbit hole of Frameworks --> to > an endless list of Qt files. I guess the thing is to not put working > files on Desktop. Why does Apple do this? It gets worse all the time -- > it seems they don't want users to be able to do their own programing at > all. I would use only linux if my Mac didn't have a bigger monitor. > > Cheers, > > Patrick > > On 8/30/21 2:35 AM, 'Rob Hodgkinson' via General wrote: > > I suspect you are using Mac OS Catalina or later … where Apple introduced > > protection on key folders (mainly from 3rd party apps). > > See this article for details: > > https://nektony.com/duplicate-finder-free/folders-permission > > > > You can either: > > - grant access using Settings / Security & Privacy to allow J > > (probably Qt, but I don’t know) to access the Desktop > > - work in a separate folder (which is what I do) > > > > I reproduced your error by creating a file using text edit and saving to > > Desktop, then also to a new folder (work). > > Note: I had to add permission to iTerm (my terminal program) just to “ls” > > the files in Desktop as I could not see them until I did that. > > > > Then I used the native <fread> function (your <mread> is just a wrapper to > > <fread>) to directly read and compare for an error result: > > > > In J on my system: > > > > fread '/Users/rob/Desktop/test.txt' > > _1 > > > > fread '/Users/rob/work/test.txt' > > col1,col2,cold > > 10,20,30 > > 110,120,130 > > > > The Catalina (&later) security is a pain (it is there for your protection, > > but still a pain), so I prefer to work in a non key folder to work on docs > > like this. > > > > Please confirm if this resolves your issue Patrick…/Rob > > > > > >> On 29 Aug 2021, at 6:40 am, J. Patrick Harrington <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> I've installed j903 Beta-o on both my Dell xps running Linux Ubuntu and my > >> Mac-mini running OS 11. I have a file which I read with > >> > >> D=. mread < '/Users/jph/Desktop/HS-20Aug-A2.dat' where mread=: > >> (_&".)@('m'&fread) > >> > >> This works fine under linux, but fails with > >> > >> domain error: mread > >> > >> on the Mac. Strangely, running jconsole on the Mac, the read works OK. Any > >> idea why the Mac fails under Qt while under Ubuntu it is fine. BTW, jqt on > >> the Mac running j902 has no problem - this just appeared in 903. > >> > >> Patrick > >> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm
