Oops, heres your copy. Also, if you want me to respond, you have to CC me on
the message, because I'm not a member of the group.

-----Original Message-----
From:   Josh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent:   Wednesday, August 01, 2001 1:46 PM
To:     'Timm Murray'
Subject:        RE: [freenet-chat] RE: open source trademark

Who's ESR?  I hope they attract attention to my web site, I could care less
about their political views.
-----Original Message-----
From:   Timm Murray [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent:   Wednesday, August 01, 2001 6:50 AM
To:     [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc:     [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:        Re: [freenet-chat] RE: open source trademark

Way to go, Josh.  ESR and his cronies are going to have a field day over
your license.
-----Original Message-----
From:   Josh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:     'Russell Nelson' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc:     [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date:   Tuesday, July 31, 2001 3:23 PM
Subject:        [freenet-chat] RE: open source trademark


>Thank you for the reply. I'm glad to know that open source is not a
>trademark, therefore I will submit my license per your instructions, and if
>you guys approve it (if), then I will return to using the "open source"
>words.
>
> -----Original Message-----
>From:  Russell Nelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent:  Tuesday, July 31, 2001 12:54 PM
>To:    Josh
>Cc:    [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject:       Re: open source trademark
>
>Josh writes:
> > Hello, I'm a developer in need of a custom open source license. It came
>to
> > my attention that "open source" is a registered trademark of your
> > organization.
>
>We've given up on that idea.  It's not a defendable trademark.  We do
>maintain a certification mark, "OSI Certified Open Source", which we
>apply to any software using an approved license.
>
> > I've designed a global file system. As such, it cannot succeed if there
>are
> > a dozen flavors of the same basic design floating around. It's essential
> > that I maintain a degree of management over my design, yet as an open
> > standard it must be "open" source.
>
>Best thing to do then is establish your own certification trademark,
>and deny its use to anyone who is not interoperable.
>
> > I am patent pending, just so somebody else can't patent it.
>
>All you have to do is publish the ideas in print.
>
> > Yet I intend to release the design royalty free, and open source.
> > Therefore I wrote my own version of the GNU license
> > (www.mercuryfs.net/license.htm. It's not ready for prime time, but
> > it's all I got at the moment.
>
>If you're asking us to approve it, the procedure is given at
>http://opensource.org/docs/certification_mark.html
>
>--
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