on 02.08.2001 15:42, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Send Chat mailing list submissions to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Chat digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. nobody at the wheel (Stuart Horner) > 2. Re: RE: open source trademark (Travis Bemann) > 3. Re: Finding a key on your node (Aaron P Ingebrigtsen) > 4. Re: The End Game From Microsoft. Really. (Aaron P Ingebrigtsen) > 5. Re: Node list (Aaron P Ingebrigtsen) > 6. Re: Finding a key on your node (Aaron P Ingebrigtsen) > 7. Re: Finding a key on your node (Aaron P Ingebrigtsen) > 8. Re: Suggestion... large files in freenet. (Aaron P Ingebrigtsen) > 9. Re: Suggestion... large files in freenet. (Aaron P Ingebrigtsen) > 10. Re: Chicken or Egg: Freenet screen saver (Aaron P Ingebrigtsen) > > --__--__-- > > Message: 1 > From: "Stuart Horner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 16:52:58 -0400 > Subject: [freenet-chat] nobody at the wheel > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > what happened? I haven't gotten a post in like 8 days, and that's on Chat! > Is there nobody at the wheel? > > Stuart > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Stefan Reich >> Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2001 7:07 PM >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Subject: Re: [freenet-chat] Harpoon Search - user notes >> >> >> Hi David, >> >>> Freenet would be best served IMO by a handful of major >> engines, each based >>> on different methods of spidering, indexing etc. Some >> spider-based, some >>> based on keywords, some hand-edited, some automatic etc >> etc. What one >> engine >>> misses, another will find. We all serve the punters best by >> giving them a >>> healthy choice. >> >> That's a fair assumption. >> >> Plus, within Freenet, there's the additional complication of network >> unreliability. One search engine may have found content that >> another one >> couldn't retrieve due to failed routing (unless you have >> costly distributed, >> redundant verification). >> >>> Stefan, there's no way I want to drive your or anyone >> else's portal out of >>> usage. Keep going with Freegle. >> >> OK, then no war, glad to hear that *g*. >> >> Seriously now, I don't want to build or defend a "monopoly" >> in any way. I >> was just a little bit surprised when your announcement of a >> Freenet search >> engine very similar to Freegle came out of nowhere. >> >>>> Do you plan to add in-Freenet searching? >>> >>> Sure do. >>> This will involve distributing a local prog (binaries for windows, >> modified >>> ht://dig source distro for Linux), plus a freesite >> containing the latest >>> Harpoon database. Include a prog which automatically >> downloads the search >>> database periodically, and Bob's your uncle :) >> >> Nice idea, I was planning to do that too, but didn't have the >> time yet... >> >>>> And what about all the other nifty features that Freegle already >>>> incorporates? (SCNR...) >>> >>> These are Freegle's claim to fame. >>> >>> Harpoon on the other hand features: >>> 1) boolean search >> >> Freegle has that too, thanks to Lucene. I forgot to add it to >> the search >> guide. >> >>> 2) only displays results for retrievable pages >> >> All content on Freegle is verified. Some files may be quite old though >> (should probably display the verification date). >> >>> 3) excludes the millions of defunct single-file keys (all >> those goddam >> KSKs, >>> CHKs, SSKs etc, 95+% of which fail) >> >> Yeah, a "freesite-only" filter is a nice idea. Freesites are the most >> vibrant part of Freenet. >> >> -Stefan >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Chat mailing list >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat >> > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 17:05:35 -0400 > From: Travis Bemann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [freenet-chat] RE: open source trademark > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > --azLHFNyN32YCQGCU > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Disposition: inline > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > On Thu, Aug 02, 2001 at 08:27:25AM -0500, Timm Murray wrote: >> Eric S. Raymond, one of the ring-leaders of the Open Source movement. > > Note that many people, including myself, dislike the name "open > source" because it panders to business and such and was mainly > introduced to make Linux more popular with business and also to say > "fuck you" to the FSF (which has created many great pieces of software > such as gcc and glibc, which Linux relies on...). > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Josh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: 'Timm Murray' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Date: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 3:52 PM >> Subject: RE: [freenet-chat] RE: open source trademark >> =20 >> =20 >>> Who's ESR? I hope they attract attention to my web site, I could care l= > ess >>> about their political views. > > Considering the fact that ESR is a diehard "anarchocapitalist" and > "Libertarian", and your views on things such as "open source" and > intellectual property will even piss him off... > > --=20 > Yes, I know my enemies. > They're the teachers who tell me to fight me. > Compromise, conformity, assimilation, submission, ignorance, > hypocrisy, brutality, the elite. > All of which are American dreams. > > - Rage Against The Machine > --azLHFNyN32YCQGCU > Content-Type: application/pgp-signature > Content-Disposition: inline > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v0.9.9 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org > > owFVVM+LHEUU3k0QZGCU/AePAZ0IM+PsyKL0ZjdZkl2IZLO6OxhEBKurX3fXbnVV > p37s7Jy9xIsEvIlozoLgyXNA8eLFg9fgyYvoxYPgza96spr0oaen+r33vfd93+uH > /cvrl66cvfvbD/q9bz9d/+n3sLalHn9505rAJozny5YzCnweXm+1UGaLZC2c57Ad > /Vh4qVS/dxF7S/nWehWUNRkpo5Xh/1/OnTC+ZDfeM9IWylQZ3Y82cDFunTJB5BrB > /d6hoXkdR7QbK5rORjSbTjdIBJq+lc3ezGabuwc0nm5OpyOaq6ahg+icWNLCoVLW > 7+3QnlOSjid0JJaNNcWIrGGyJYWaCTjVWLMo2PmLs8OWDR3b6CRTY8+4Qa+T1Mhd > VEQEoBthltSybTWPMJbUMbVPzdKzLkdUKK/VKXfVjGiYBhY1+z3fFR1QzlJEz6QC > tcJ02MFSHj3o8Z5wRD7KuntYCA84ULfs90CKs0WUXKT4RgDijjLxHG06pta2UQtH > CxXq54sJ7W3K8AJFBmWUp7S0cZCOUov7x/t0dVErINZAk44FRFgNWaU/1CqW3BHk > bRkWwkGYVYeeKik7kEqrXI5oVWfVlmOtUpqZTCavdRTu0Dhdh05VyghNB2hRVNwd > prf7zjYZvW19TddOcL/RsJPRLUs/MRx2UsjcZjR8RukhXYP9ijw6c8NFk9vzibRN > F3oLc2R0jwswUYhlZ6Ho4ZyNpy56I9uc0TsHKfY45icsQ0ZHexl9UDpmAI7h7PBh > d5QUpJWAFBwM0wh3isTt2fS/O+3cq+3Q097x0XWi21QjKTG8hF2RI0P6hZuwDZ2A > cCnnhPWAi26TtFEXJEEu6e1+D8x0JUVuY0hVlIPEGrskQdyZ4oXvKMU2eQUPJQMm > NcuE07kUbZCCA+BHThTRQBjhZG2laFUQWvkwSNLBE3dUzi4Ip4QZjDo5YRC3QiH7 > +DP0WwPA04Xqg2f4eFoE7mStwWFEf61DgAuYUGlNfIbgVsGOtWpgoxKGSL2Pxx1x > 77NPBJwau0ikgPkGvkHEHNwN3WqRAgtZp1VZ1LAtkAiLBRZLVdXYSJ4kKhrgNsqD > T2lNaV2jAmQX3qtGaZGIH2GEHCG+e1aVsfgKSR71e/WytdIpj4TcxcRPyk3QsHFI > 9XcBih1YWTzptAt7Qg5DBdakWelBz11jfHYqBFZYYTgPA9EB5sBuPrh++YX19F29 > +NBeufRRu/bomyffvbj+ysf/nFzd+Hp49/vP/37pyY9rX+3+NbAP/nj0xcObL//6 > 6i9//rwVP+F/AQ== > =gnni > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > --azLHFNyN32YCQGCU-- > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 3 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 14:32:32 -0700 > Subject: Re: [freenet-chat] Finding a key on your node > From: Aaron P Ingebrigtsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > On Thu, 28 Jun 2001 08:20:13 +0100 Leo Howell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > writes: >> On Wed, Jun 27, 2001 at 07:09:09PM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: >>> freenet_request -h 1 -s tcp/XX.XX.XX.XX:YYYYY KEY tempfile >> >> Doesn't freenet put some uncertainty into the HTL value? IIRC even >> a HTL 1 request might end up going to some other nodes as well. > > Nope, not the 0.3 nodes. > > I can request data only from my node with HTL 1, and it works. No other > node gets a request. Especialy if I'm offline. :) > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 4 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 14:28:40 -0700 > Subject: Re: [freenet-chat] The End Game From Microsoft. Really. > From: Aaron P Ingebrigtsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > On Wed, 27 Jun 2001 19:32:56 -0400 Seth Johnson > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >> Folks, read this. I speak in grave tones a lot of times, but let's >> be >> very clear, now: >> >> The end game is upon us. The apolitical BSD license is now being >> pitted >> directly against the GPL license, by M$ itself. >> >> It's so very sly. Just think about it. But if we see it right up, >> we >> *might* be able to counter it. I don't know: >> >> http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/dotnet/2001/06/27/dotnet.html >> >> >> Ask me what I mean, if you don't see what I'm saying. I'm pissed >> and >> anxious as heck about this. >> >> Seth Johnson > > I don't understand why this idea is better than GNU GPL, I mean sure you > can look at the source code, but you can't USE the source code. You have > to come up with your own unique code, which is really quite difficult in > programming when you are trying to do the same thing. It would be easier > to use other people's code in your own implementation while giving them > the credit they deserve for their work. > > I don't see how this threatens GNU GPL. > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 5 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 14:19:14 -0700 > Subject: Re: [freenet-chat] Node list > From: Aaron P Ingebrigtsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > On Tue, 26 Jun 2001 11:26:55 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ian > Clarke) writes: >> On Tue, Jun 26, 2001 at 08:24:40PM +0200, Stefan Reich wrote: >>> The problem is that in the end, it is impossible to hide that you >> are >>> running a Freenet node (at least if it's not transient). >> >> It is not, and was never, a goal of Freenet to make it impossible >> to >> determine whether someone is running a node. Having said that, we >> will >> be taking some precautions in 0.4 to make it more difficult to >> harvest >> node addresses. I did propose a system a while back called "Shadow >> nodes" which would allow someone to hide their node address using >> one or >> more other Freenet nodes as a proxy. Nobody except those nodes >> would >> know that you are running a Freenet node. >> >> Ian. >> > > Sounds like a great idea. :) However, any node that can be found by > someone can be attacked by the state or federal legal systems of whatever > country they reside in. We still need some kind of legal defense for > Freenet nodes and their node operators, in at least one country. Without > that, any permanent node operator is takeing a huge risk of prosecution. > :( > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 6 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 14:10:51 -0700 > Subject: Re: [freenet-chat] Finding a key on your node > From: Aaron P Ingebrigtsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > On Wed, 27 Jun 2001 19:12:40 +0100 "Adam Langley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > writes: >> On Wed, Jun 27, 2001 at 11:05:53AM -0500, Chad Phillips wrote: >>> I have read the docs on how freenet works, but I am still a little >> unclear >>> on one thing. You shouldn't be able tell what is stored on your >> node >>> because everything is hashed. >> >> You can't get a list of everything that is on your node. But you can >> always >> ask "is X on my node?" because otherwise how would the node be >> answer >> requests? >> >> The trick is that you can't ask every possible form of "is X on my >> node" because of the number of X's. >> >> You might give it a good shot with KSKs, but I hate KSKs anyway. >> >> AGL > > The company in question can even run thier own node and insert the file > in question ONLY on that node, with HTL 1, and get the CHK that way. > Then they could send out requests to users of ISPs to search for this > banned CHK on thier nodes, useing HTL 1, and then delete their entire > data store when they find it. Or they can require ISPs, by law, to > search their user's computers for freenet nodes containing banned CHKs. > This can be done, but is there a legal defense? I hope so. > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 7 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 14:07:21 -0700 > Subject: Re: [freenet-chat] Finding a key on your node > From: Aaron P Ingebrigtsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > On Wed, 27 Jun 2001 11:05:53 -0500 "Chad Phillips" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> I have read the docs on how freenet works, but I am still a little >> unclear >> on one thing. You shouldn't be able tell what is stored on your >> node >> because everything is hashed. >> >> Is it possible to easily find out if a specific key is on your node. >> Say >> company x calls you and says file "top secret" has been floating >> around >> freenet. Its key is KSK@company/topsecret, please check and see if >> this key >> is on your node and remove it. >> >> Would this be possible? > > Yes, it would be possible to check ONLY your node to see if a file is > stored there, but ONLY if you have the specific key for it. Such as that > KSK. If the KSK and the CHK of the file you want exist on your node, > useing "frequest HTL 1 KSK@company/topsecret" on your node should > retrieve that file from ONLY your node. If it doesn't exist on your node > currently, it may exist at some later date if you are running a Permanent > or Semi-permanent node. > > As for removing just one specific file from your node, no, you can't do > that. You can wipe your entire datastore, even delete the entire node > and install from scratch, but deleteing just one single file cannot be > done. > > So, I guess companies can search your node for files they deem to be BAD > and tell you to wipe your datastore when they find them, but can they > force you Legaly? That remains to be seen. > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 8 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 15:26:22 -0700 > Subject: Re: [freenet-chat] Suggestion... large files in freenet. > From: Aaron P Ingebrigtsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > On Sun, 15 Jul 2001 09:28:22 -0400 Greg Wooledge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > writes: >> Michael D. Carey ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: >> >>> hotdame.mpg >>> 1:<the key for the first piece> >>> 2:<the key for the second piece> >>> 3:<the key for the third piece> >>> 4:<the key for the fourth piece> >> >> Freenet 0.4 is going to have splitfiles capability. It won't be >> mandatory, but will instead be the responsibility of the client >> programmer. (Freenet "clients" include things like fproxy, as well >> as FreeWeb and manifest tools.) >> >> So in short, your wish is already being granted. :) > > Well the file splitting SHOULD be mandatory, and completely transparent. > A part of the 0.4 node client. > > Like when you send someone a 5 meg .mpeg in an email useing Outlook > Express 5, and they recieve it useing Outlook Express 5, as far as they > are concerned they recieved ONE email, but in actuality they may recieve > 50 individual emails which are then recombined transparently by the email > client. Why not make it so that the Freenet network WILL NOT transport > files larger than say 500k, at least the 0.4 nodes, and that anything > larger being recieved by a 0.4 node is automaticaly converted to a > split-file Metadata package that can be reached with the same CHK as > before, but transparently requests multiple segments instead of one huge > file? > > I think this would improve the network immensley. > > Oh yeah, and please put in file transfer resume if a transfer operation > is stopped before the entire file has been retrieved and reassembled, or > sent on to other nodes in an insert operation. This would make it much > easier for users who DON'T have T3 connections to the net to use Freenet > as if it were a fast FTP site or HTTP site or something. > > You could download Flashget or Go! Zilla or any number of other download > resume clients if you don't understand what I'm talking about. > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 9 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 15:15:04 -0700 > Subject: Re: [freenet-chat] Suggestion... large files in freenet. > From: Aaron P Ingebrigtsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > On Sun, 15 Jul 2001 01:29:19 -0600 "Michael D. Carey" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Forgive me if someone has already suggested this. >> >> I notice Freenet has problems with large files. Freenet >> should limit the size of individual files uploaded to under >> 1M. Freenet clients would be required to post large files >> in multiple parts... like Usenet... Data disassembly and >> reassembly will be handled by the client... Be it the >> client built into freenet.jar or a "third party" client. >> >> Wouldn't this take resolve many of the problems with large >> files...? Also, it seems <1M packets of data would be >> transferred more reliably across many nodes than one large >> one...? > > Yes, finaly someone else who thinks Freenet should do file > splitting/recombining for faster data transfers and stuff. > > 1) Limiting the file size and splitting/recombinging increases the > efficeincy and speed of the network > 2) It would allow users to resume a very large download, thus you > wouldn't need a Dedicated T3 connection or something in order to use > Freenet > 3) Users could theoreticaly resume very large uploads too, by splitting > the file and sending the segments from last to first before inserting the > single redirect file that tells a node how to retrieve and recombine all > of the segments. > > FTP and HTTP sites use this technique to make file downloads faster and > easier for users, Email uses MIME and UUE encoded segments to transport > large files over limited email systems which limit message sizes to only > 500k. Why can't someone do this on Freenet? If it is to be implemented > at all, it should be implemented in the Freenet client, not a third party > client, unless you want to create a new kind of key that only the > thirdparty client can insert or retrieve properly. > > Also a random HTL system would be a good idea, so that no matter what HTL > a user puts into a request or insert, it will always come up random on > whatever node it gets to. This should apply for maximum AND minimum HTL > numbers, so that HTL 1 and HTL 2 don't always work. :) > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 10 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 15:02:30 -0700 > Subject: Re: [freenet-chat] Chicken or Egg: Freenet screen saver > From: Aaron P Ingebrigtsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > On Mon, 9 Jul 2001 11:59:53 -0400 John Todd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> I am familiar enough with FreeNet to know what it is and to have >> experimented with some of the earlier development code, but I'm not >> >> active in the community enough to know where I should insert an idea >> >> of this type, nor do I particularly wish to jump in/jump out just to >> >> insert this idea. However, Freenet sounds like a very good idea >> waiting for the right "critical mass" to make it technically useful >> >> (as opposed to the interminable waits I normally experience while >> using Freenet on my _very_ well connected network.) >> >> Thus, there's a chicken-and-egg scenario: more people will not use >> Freenet until it's faster, and Freenet won't get faster until more >> people use it. So, this implies that in order to be successful, >> Freenet must encourage people to run Freenet servers through some >> other mechanism than simply "Because it's the right thing." >> SETI@Home solved this particular problem in an elegant way by >> harnessing the natural geek urge to show off how powerful, >> well-connected, etc. one's computers are. So... > > I would call it a paradox, or eternal loop, like in programming. Freenet > cannot run without users, but until it is faster and more efficient users > will not use it, thus it will never get faster and will never gain more > users. :) > >> >> How about a FreeNet metric (ranking) and corresponding screensaver? >> >> I have been thinking about ways to get more people to run FreeNet, >> and I kept thinking about a FreeNet virus, but of course a virus is >> >> an unacceptable way to install software, even if it asks >> "permission." The next best thing was a screensaver. This implies >> >> some issues, but I think that perception is reality here: if you >> show people some sort of interesting statistical interpolation of >> freenet nodes, and you give them the ability to "compete" with other >> >> users in the well-connectedness/depth of elements/number of >> accesses/speed of response arena, you'll suddenly find that there >> are >> people who want to use the service. The term "screensaver" is a >> misnomer; I'd really suggest just putting a pretty screen-saver-ish >> front end on it that does what normal screensavers do now. Look at >> >> SETI@Home model - let users _compete_, and show them the >> competition >> results in a very easy to see manner (i.e.: a screensaver.) > > Nice idea. :) > >> >> Yes, that does mean that it should run on Windoze more easily than >> it >> currently runs, and maybe (argh) written to run a lot more >> efficiently with C instead of Java. I only have anecdotal evidence > > C uses a LOT less resources than Java apps. Let me add my own experiences > to your pool of evidence. I was running Freenet, Frost, and Juno all at > the same time, and the memory got chewed up and spat out and the result > was that my entire Juno Email database was totaly overwriten with stuff > from Frost, and Frost's list of keys was screwed up too. I had to delete > Juno's database and start all over from scratch and I had to start the > key list from scratch too. All java apps on my PC eat up my resources > and make my PC do wierd things, even spontaniously reboot itself. I have > a Pentium 150mhz with 32megs of ram. My PC is NOT able to handle any > more than 4 simultanious Freenet connections. > > So basicaly, if Freenet doesn't move away from Java and towards a > language that uses a LOT less resources, I'm gonna have to uninstall > freenet. It keeps getting new features added and stuff, and that takes > even more of my resources. :( > >> >> to support my feeling that Java running in the background for heavy >> >> calculations or network access will bog a machine down to the point >> >> where people would de-install FreeNet. I have never run it on >> Windoze, so perhaps my point is mis-directed. Also: I don't know if >> >> FreeNet can be made "nice" or otherwise pushed into the background >> when resources are required for other tasks; this would make it an >> app that could run on the "average" computer instead of a dedicated >> >> machine. >> >> To implement such a competition/display system would no doubt >> require >> an additional layer of information communication that may not be >> desired across the entire network. However, perhaps make it a >> common >> "channel" within FreeNet itself where the data can be communicated? >> >> Easy to spoof (or is it?) but that's a controlled risk. Ian Clarke >> >> (after I suggested this via private mail) said that there is a >> statistics collection engine being written; can this tie in? >> >> I'd use FreeNet if it was a bit faster, and that's a Catch-22. No >> speed, no content. No content, no additional nodes. No additional >> >> nodes, no speed. Wash, rinse, repeat. Convince the millions of >> weenies out there (myself included) that there is some ego-boosting >> >> number that they can spout about how cool they are because they're >> number X on the FreeNet ratings, and they'll jump on with the >> biggest >> processors, disks, and pipes they have. (FreeNet ratings... Freenix >> >> ratings... so similar... so unmeaningful ;) Instant critical >> mass. >> >> Note: sorry, I wish I could offer my programming skills to implement >> >> this, but I alas am not a programmer. I'd be more than happy to be >> a >> beta tester, though. > > I am also not a programmer, but I will beta test anything you guys come > up with. :) > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > > > --__--__-- > > _______________________________________________ > Chat mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat > > > End of Chat Digest hello! this is the 4th attempt to reach you there people.i wrote some woards to Greg,but the message return saying tottaly incompreencible things as Error.....letīīs see if this one finds the way . By ana r.s. _______________________________________________ Chat mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.freenetproject.org/mailman/listinfo/chat
