Hello James;

Cannot all of these problems be solved by allowing Unicode identifiers, and just redefining:

  { times sign } =: *
  { rho } =: $
  { square root } =: %:
  { ceiling } =: >.
  { floor } =: <.

Now that's what I call Unicode support!

James C Field wrote:
I deeply mourn the passing (well almost) of the APL character set. Such a well-thought-out set of symbols coupled [tripled?] with an equally well-thought-out language and award-winning brilliant mainframe timesharing implementations: IBM, Burroughs, et al. should have some kind of future.

It seems the beautiful APL symbols (and consequently the language) lost out to a short-lived technical limitation. The language-hard-core guys seemed to accept the failure of the character set and go for a 'quick-fix' which limited itself to the ancient ASCII character set. ASCII is(was) limited, ambiguous [ANSI, ?] and offers no room for expansion.

Specialist keyboards and mappings can be bought for a song these days.

For all of J's powerful syntactic innovations and improved programability IT IS NOT PRETTY! J looks like a dog's breakfast.

Jim Field

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