Sadly, it has oftimes it is the exxact opposite: those who teach do NOT ge ttenure.
One of the best teachers I ever had in mathematics was Dr. Raymond Cannon, who was NOT given tenure at UNC-Chapel Hill; mainly because he *taught rather than publish or research*, primarily. One of the best students there, name of Tom Kreitzer, was stuck on Green's theorem; walked into Doc Cannon office one afternoon, unscheduled, and got 4 hours ad hoc. he told Tom to go back tot he dorm, work the problems the evening, and to come back the next afternoon if it did not clear up. Tom did, and got another six hours, and managed to hurdle the mount of harmonic analysis cleanly. I was likely saved therein, only I managed to get it in class. TOm later went on to Stanford Comp Sci as a grad: no slouch. And Doc Cannon went to, and got tenure, in Math, at Baylor: again, not a bad institution for math at the time. Without Doc Cannon's work (a swell as Dr. KEI) I likely would have failed to graduate; because he rescued me at my first but by no means the last level of incompetence (Peter' Principle) and the emotional doldrums that hit with recognition of it. Dr I? APL, and the recognition that there might people who thought as weirdly as I did. Later, to be recognized, who thought clearly, and taught me to do so as well. Cheers. (Your pardon if 30+ years has a name misspelled) On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 4:03 PM, Roger Hui <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ken didn't get tenure at Harvard: > http://keiapl.org/anec/#one_little_book > He doubled his salary when he went from Harvard to IBM Research: > http://keiapl.org/rhui/autobio.htm#Harvard_tenure > > Good teaching is only a factor in getting tenure, and > in those days it was a smaller factor (if a factor at all). > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: dly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Thursday, July 17, 2008 12:39 > Subject: Re: [Jchat] Tenure > To: Chat forum <[email protected]> > > > It was my impression from a conversation with Ken that IBM > > recruited > > him before he qualified for tenure rather than the university > > not > > granting him tenure. He was already teaching in the > > University at > > that time and I think he might easily have been their best teacher. > > > > Donna > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > On 17-Jul-08, at 7:24 PM, frank clooter wrote: > > > > > Winning a Turing or Nobel Prize does not necessarily mean that one > > > deserves tenure. > > > > > > Teaching, which at its best happens to be exceptionally > > creative, is > > > different from creating in a context of being worth a Turing > > > (computing's Nobel Prize) or a Nobel Prize or a _______ prize. > > > > > > That being said, I guess that Dijkstra and Cook both received tenure > > > later in their careers. > > > > > > Tenure in itself is not necessarily the great yardstick that > > it > > > ought to be. > > > > > > While presumably based on merit, tenure is just as likely to > > be based > > > upon how much revenue one's connections might bring to the tenuring > > > institution. Politics is likely key. Being engaged > > to the dean's > > > daughter probably helps too. > > > > > > Ken would have likely become tenured had he stayed in > > academia. For > > > all intents and purposes, becoming an IBM Fellow is at the > > very least > > > equivalent to tenure. To the often exhibited degree that > > Ken was > > > talented for and capable of teaching, I think that he could easily > > > have stood shoulder to shoulder with the cream of the tenured crops. > > > > > > FC > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm > -- Use Reply-To: & thread your email after the first: or it may take a while, as I get 2000 emails per day. -- Roy A. Crabtree UNC '76 gaa.lifer# (For TN contact, email me to set up a confirmed date/time) voicemail inbound only [When you hear/read/see/feel what a y*ehudi plays/writes/sculpts/holds] [(n)either violinist {Menuhin} (n)or writer {"The Y*ehudi Principle"} (n)or molder (n)or older] [you must strive/think/look/sense all of it, or you will miss the meanings of it all] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Forwards only to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: auto to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Be short < 160 chars cuts off; currently offline [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: auto to ^ http://www.authorsden.com/royacrabtree http://skyscraper.fortunecity.com/activex/720/resume/full.doc -- (c) RAC/IP, ARE,PRO,PAST (Copyright) Roy Andrew Crabtree/In Perpetuity All Rights/Reserved Explicitly Public Reuse Only Profits Always Safe Traded ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For information about J forums see http://www.jsoftware.com/forums.htm
