----- Original Message ----- From: "Herb Lumpp" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Chevelle List" <chevelle-list@chevelles.net> Sent: Friday, December 24, 2004 1:07 PM Subject: FW: [Chevelle-list] power steering conversion
> I guess Fred didn't get my previous email to him so I'm posting it to the > list without the picture... > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Herb Lumpp [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2004 4:36 PM > To: Fred Dowaliby [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [Chevelle-list] power steering conversion > > > Thanks Fred. > > I have the AGR box and like it very much. Prior to the AGR box I had manual > steering and trust me when I say that took some muscle to move around a > parking lot! I think the AGR box is very easy to steer - not as easy as my > '04 Silverado, but that's ok with me. > > The pitman arm is different for manual and power. I bought my power pitman > arm, part number 6467PAP ($69) from Classic Performance Products. > http://www.classicperform.com/chevelle.htm#frchassis > > My pulley came with the pump/bracket kit so I don't know what it's part > number is. However, it looks like part number 60101 except my pulley has > lightening holes in it. I also have a two groove water pump pulley (6013FP) > for a short water pump if you're interested in that too. Attached is a pic > of both, the one on the left is for the w/p and the one on the right is for > the p/s. I'll take $90 for both unless you only want the p/s pulley - $45 > if that sounds good to you. > > Herb > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Fred Dowaliby > Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 10:12 PM > To: The Chevelle Mailing List > Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] power steering conversion > > > Hi Herb, > > Man you do good work! Very impressive engine compartment. I think I > will go with Zoops for the ps bracket, and Summit for the (polished > aluminum) Type 2 pump and reservoir. I am inclined to go with the AGR > box. How do you like the way yours performs/feels? One alternative > suggested by a list member is one remanufactured by Power Steering > Services, which would also have 12:1. One person commented that theirs > (AGR) felt a bit stiff by comparison to stock. This may be due to the > 12:1 ratio difference. > > I am assuming that the pitman arm is the same for manual and power? > > I am definitely interested in your V-belt pulley. What is the Zoops pn > and What would you take for it? > > Thanks, > > Fred > > > On Dec 21, 2004, at 6:20 PM, Herb Lumpp wrote: > > > Hi Fred, > > > > Everything you've described I've done to my Elky. The Type II > > pump/brackets/pulley/resevoir all came from Zoops. I made the hoses > > myself > > because I'm using a hydrobooster for my brakes. > > > > If you plan to use V-belts, don't buy the pullye because I have a two > > groove > > that's nearly brand new because I switched to serpentine. > > > > On these two links, there are some pictures of the p/s... > > > > http://users.adelphia.net/~hlump/El_Camino_Engine.htm > > > > http://users.adelphia.net/~hlump/El_Camino_Engine.2.htm > > > > > > Herb Lumpp > > http://users.adelphia.net/~hlump/index.htm > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Fred Dowaliby > > Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 10:30 PM > > To: The Chevelle Mailing List > > Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] power steering conversion > > > > > > Dale, > > > > Thanks for your reply. > > > > As I don't have a power box I think I will buy the AGR from Summit. > > It's either that or the boneyard, and I've been spoiled with new parts > > lately. A bit pricey at $329.95 but it is "manufactured with new > > components" and gives a 12:1 ratio. > > > > I think I have no choice but to use a Type 2 pump as my alternator is > > inwardly mounted right above with a short water pump configuration. Now > > all I need to do is figure out where to put the reservoir, as you said. > > > > Fred > > > > > > On Dec 20, 2004, at 12:42 PM, Dale wrote: > > > >> I used an AGR box as a replacement on my 67 (already had P/S) and I > >> found it > >> to be a bit stiffer than the regular box; meaning I couldn't 'palm' > >> turn the > >> car. It wasn't so stiff as to not be power, but not as free and easy > >> as > >> before. If you have another P/S box, you might consider someone like > >> http://www.powersteering.com/ out of Springfield, MO to rebuild a box. > >> I > >> haven't used them but others on Team Chevelle have and rate their > >> products > >> as first class. $235.00 exchange for a GM quick-ratio 12:1 > >> conversion. > >> > >> To me, the primary advantage of a Type II pump is it's smaller and the > >> reservoir is remote making a little cleaner installation as long as > >> you have > >> a place to mount the reservoir. Reservoir is also easier to > >> check/fill if > >> not behind belts. > >> > >> Dale McIntosh > >> 67 El Camino/96 BMW Z3 > >> ACES #1709/TC Gold #92 > >> > >> I've stopped 8,535 spam and fraud messages. You can too! > >> One month FREE spam and fraud protection at > >> http://www.cloudmark.com/safetybarsig/?rc=wn44hl > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Fred > >> Dowaliby > >> Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 8:16 PM > >> To: The Chevelle Mailing List > >> Subject: Re: [Chevelle-list] power steering conversion > >> > >> Thanks Bill. > >> > >> It's beginning to look like I can get a short water pump bracket from > >> Zoops for a Type II pump, and the pump and remote reservoir are > >> available in polished aluminum from Summit. Summit also sells a box > >> with a 12:1 ratio made by AGR. As far as the lines go, it looks like > >> Russell produces "Powerflex" hoses and ends, made for high pressure > >> applications, like brakes and power steering. > >> > >> This will all be a bit pricey but have the look I want. > >> > >> > >> > >> Bill, > >> > >> Thanks for your reply. I think all of the parts are available from > >> Zoops and Summit. Russell makes hose and endings specifically for this > >> application, called "Powerflex" hoses and endings. I will probably go > >> with a billet Type II pump with remote reservoir. > >> > >> Thanks again, > >> > >> Fred > >> > >> On Dec 19, 2004, at 6:50 PM, Bill Lessenberry wrote: > >> > >>> At 12:53 PM 12/19/2004, you wrote: > >>>> Bill, > >>>> Thanks for your reply. I am using a short water pump, no ac. I'd > >>>> like > >>>> the pump to be on the driver side to minimize the pump-to-steering > >>>> box hose. > >>>> > >>>> I would particularly like to know any advantages/disadvantages to > >>>> the > >>>> Saginaw vs. the Type II > >>> > >>> Sorry, I don't have any experience there, so I can't help. > >>> > >>>> and the remote vs. the attached reservoir. > >>> > >>> I believe that you have to use a remote reservoir because of > >>> clearance > >>> problems with the alternator. > >>> > >>> > >>>> I am interested in the polished aluminum Type II pump sold by > >>>> Summit, > >>>> for one reason it uses -AN fittings. I would also like it to look as > >>>> good as possible. > >>> > >>> You could use an aluminum remote reservoir with the AN fittings & > >>> hoses for a nice look on the supply and return side, but I'd check > >>> the > >>> specs on the hose that you use on the pressure side. P/S pumps are > >>> capable of 1200 psi or more, & you don't want a hose or fitting to > >>> leak or break. > >>> > >>> BL > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >
