[chhattisgarh-net] Digest Number 1752

Thu, 29 Jan 2009 05:20:09 -0800

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1a.

Re: Chhattisgarh Maoists recruiting minor  girls: Police

Posted by: "sri venkat" ahvenkit...@gmail.com   viji123

Wed Jan 28, 2009 1:38 pm (PST)

It is well known normal human laws are not relevant to sanyasis be it
Buddha or anybody else.

But the fact is a country cannot survive without protection from our
soldiers, security forces and police. It is as simple as that. Even
for the protection of the sanyass!!

It is in the very Dandakaranya forests that the sages approached Lord
Rama to kill to rakshasas who were causing them innumerable troubles.
It shows that without a soldier no society can function.

So we may sing paens about sanyasis, buddha no identity, world
identity etc etc, but practical life neccesitates that if were to live
in this world we have to abide by its laws however much we may deny or
dislike them. One can renounce oneself as an Indian, but if one has
to travel abroad, you need an **Indian passport**!! I think such
confusions arise when we mix spiritual and earthy realm together
without be able to realize what is applicable when.

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Re: Maoists infiltrating NGOs� : Chhattisgarh DGP Vishwa Ranjan

Posted by: "rahul" aaroh...@yahoo.com   aarohini

Wed Jan 28, 2009 1:39 pm (PST)

centuries ago descartes after setting up the logical framework of arguing from cause to effect which has now come to be called the cartesian framework was confronted with the problem of proving the existence of God as if he did not do so he was in danger of being hauled up by the Church as Galileo had been a while earlier. descartes got round this by saying that it is God who is the repository of all truth and does not need any proof. since then this kind of circular reasoning where one assumes what one has to prove has become very popular and it is not surprising that the government and sri venkat too have adopted it in saying that whoever they think are maoists are maoists.

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Cell no: +919926791773

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--- On Wed, 28/1/09, Sanjeev Mahajan <veejnasnajaham@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Sanjeev Mahajan <veejnasnajaham@gmail.com>
Subject: [chhattisgarh-net] Re: Maoists infiltrating NGOs€ ¢ï¿½ : Chhattisgarh DGP Vishwa Ranjan
To: chhattisgarh-n...@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, 28 January, 2009, 4:22 AM

It would be tedious to disentangle the miasma of lies, non-sequitors and disinformation in
this post, but I will try. The DGP does not need to be accountable to human rights organizations,
and no one ever insisted that he be accountable to them. But he definitely needs to

be held accountable to his own words. He cannot on one hand say during the
Berkeley conference that he had nothing to do with Binayak Sen's case and
since the case was sub-judice, he could not comment on it, and on the other

hand, when he is safely esconced in his own lair, make even wilder allegations
such as "The arrest of the Maoist sympathiser and senior PUCL functionary,

Binayak Sen (facing trial in Raipur district court) confirmed it.
€ ¢Â "He
was a regular go-between for the Maoists. Letters seized prove it.""

As for human rights organizations putting the human rights of 'Maoists'
above the human rights of normal citizens, it seems Mr Venkat does not

consider 'Maoists' to be normal citizens, and of course it is sufficient for
Mr Venkat to make these libelous and scandalous claims regarding
human rights organizations without providing even a shred of evidence.

Which human rights organization has said that they think the human
rights of 'Maoists' are above that of 'normal citizens', Mr Venkat? It also bears notice
that a 'Maoist' is anyone who the state government considers to be a 'Maoist'.

This is certainly a very convenient definition, since if it or its vigilante army
Salwa Judum goes on a killing rampage, as it recently did with the massacre
of 17 tribals, it can always claim that these tribals were 'maosts', they were killed

in an 'encounter', and hence deserved their fate. Similarly, it is sufficient to
call Dr Sen a Maoist sympathizer and any persecution that follows, including his incarceration
on trumped up charges is fair game. The beauty of hurling the label 'Maoist' at someone

is that there is no way to counter the charge, since the state's definition of a 'Maoist'
is tautological-'A Maoist is one whom we think is a Maoist'.

Sanjeev

On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 4:02 PM, sri venkat <ahvenkitesh@ gmail.com> wrote:

Let me summarize my response:

The DGP has been appointed by the state government and if he does

anything wrong, the court is there for anybody seeking justice.

I don't think he needs to be accountable to so called human rights

organizations who put human rights of maoists above the human rights

of normal citizens. And of course the same goes for our holier than

thou media.

I do howeveragree with Shalini (generally speaking) in the area that

our civil service, politicans etc can do with training in a lot of

fields to improve their skills/knowledge awareness and update

themselves.











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Re: CGnet is awarded "the best e-content  in South Asia"

Posted by: "Nandini Sundar" nandinisun...@yahoo.com   nandinisundar

Wed Jan 28, 2009 1:41 pm (PST)

Dear CG Net moderators and members

Congratulations. i share the jury's views - CG net is really good.

warm regards

Nandini

Praveen <pmanikp...@gmail.com> wrote: Congratulations to all the members of CGnet family!

CGnet is awarded "the best e-content in South Asia" under
e-news category. CGnet was selected for the Manthan award from among
13 other entries from India, Srilanka , Bangladesh and other
neighboring south Asian nations. It's a great message for the people
that citizen journalism has vital role in the development of the
country. I received the award on behalf of CGnet at New Delhi. The
Manthan Awards are held annually by the Digital Empowerment Foundation.

For more details -

http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=FphpH-v7slY

http://www.manthanaward.org/section_full_story.asp?id=665

Once again congratulations to all the CGnet members!

Lets work harder to make CGnet a true "Chhattisgariya man ke apan website"
--
Praveen Manikpuri
New Delhi





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Re: Maoists infiltrating NGOs: Chhattisgarh DGP Vishwa Ranjan

Posted by: "G MANJU SAINATH" gmanjusain...@gmail.com

Wed Jan 28, 2009 1:43 pm (PST)

Terrorists are like animals: Supreme Court judge

New Delhi, Jan 27 (IANS) Equating terrorists with animals, a senior Supreme
Court judge Tuesday said people speaking for their rights are actually
advocating "animal rights".

"Those who violate the rights of society and have no respect for human
rights are not humans but animals. And people fighting for terrorists are
actually supporting 'animal rights'," said Justice Arijit Pasayat,
addressing a conference organised by the Indian Law Institute.

Speaking on 'Investigation and Prosecution of Offences Related to
Terrorism', Pasayat called for a united effort to fight terrorism.

Blaming society for the spurt in terrorist attacks, Pasayat, the third most
senior judge of the apex court, said: "We are hypocrites and speak in
different tones when it comes to terrorism."

Advocating stringent anti-terror laws, the judge said: "It is important to
have special laws to deal with terrorists and we need to give enough time to
our investigators and prosecutors to prepare the case with strong evidence."

Echoing Pasayat's views, senior advocate Fali S. Nariman said terrorists
could not be equated with those accused of petty offences.

Nariman advocated taking away the right of silence from terrorists and
advised the government to re-consider the Malimath Committee's
recommendations that suggested amendment in one of the provisions of the
Criminal Procedure Code to combat terrorism.

"If an alleged terrorist refuses to answer the court's query, the presiding
judge should be empowered to draw an adverse inference against him," said
Nariman.

Solicitor General G.E. Vahanvati said since Pakistan was unwilling to assist
India in combating terrorism, it was time to strengthen the criminal justice
system.

"If a lawyer does not want to fight for Kasab, we should not force him or
her to do so. Let Kasab defend himself before the court, if he can speak
another language other than terrorism," he said, referring to Mohammed Ajmal
Amir alias Kasab, the lone Pakistani terrorist captured during the Nov 26
Mumbai attack.

On 1/28/09, Sanjeev Mahajan <veejnasnajaham@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> It would be tedious to disentangle the miasma of lies, non-sequitors and
> disinformation in
> this post, but I will try. The DGP does not need to be accountable to human
> rights organizations,
> and no one ever insisted that he be accountable to them. But he definitely
> needs to
> be held accountable to his *own words*. He cannot on one hand say during
> the
> Berkeley conference that he had nothing to do with Binayak Sen's case and
> since the case was sub-judice, he could not comment on it, and on the other
> hand, when he is safely esconced in his own lair, make even wilder
> allegations
> such as "*The arrest of the Maoist sympathiser and senior PUCL
> functionary,
> Binayak Sen (facing trial in Raipur district court) confirmed it.
> "He was a regular go-between for the Maoists. Letters seized prove it.*""
>
> As for human rights organizations putting the human rights of 'Maoists'
> above the human rights of normal citizens, it seems Mr Venkat does not
> consider 'Maoists' to be normal citizens, and of course it is sufficient
> for
> Mr Venkat to make these libelous and scandalous claims regarding
> human rights organizations without providing even a shred of evidence.
> Which human rights organization has said that they think the human
> rights of 'Maoists' are above that of 'normal citizens', Mr Venkat? It also
> bears notice
> that a 'Maoist' is anyone who the state government considers to be a
> 'Maoist'.
> This is certainly a very convenient definition, since if it or its
> vigilante army
> Salwa Judum goes on a killing rampage, as it recently did with the massacre
> of 17 tribals, it can always claim that these tribals were 'maosts', they
> were killed
> in an 'encounter', and hence deserved their fate. Similarly, it is
> sufficient to
> call Dr Sen a Maoist sympathizer and any persecution that follows,
> including his incarceration
> on trumped up charges is fair game. The beauty of hurling the label
> 'Maoist' at someone
> is that there is no way to counter the charge, since the state's definition
> of a 'Maoist'
> is tautological-'A Maoist is one whom we think is a Maoist'.
>
> Sanjeev
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 4:02 PM, sri venkat <ahvenkitesh@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Let me summarize my response:
>>
>> The DGP has been appointed by the state government and if he does
>> anything wrong, the court is there for anybody seeking justice.
>>
>> I don't think he needs to be accountable to so called human rights
>> organizations who put human rights of maoists above the human rights
>> of normal citizens. And of course the same goes for our holier than
>> thou media.
>>
>> I do howeveragree with Shalini (generally speaking) in the area that
>> our civil service, politicans etc can do with training in a lot of
>> fields to improve their skills/knowledge awareness and update
>> themselves.
>>
>>
>
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5.

Reusable Jute Bags

Posted by: "Ashok" ash_...@yahoo.com   ash_ok7

Wed Jan 28, 2009 1:45 pm (PST)

I was curiously searching the Internet, about..

Is it possible to make reusable/washable/biodegradable bags for daily
uses in just Rs 2/- .?????????????

I didn't get any answer.. Can anyone from my CGNET family throw some
light on this.

If it is possible, it can solve double purpose..
1) less pollutions..
2) jobs for the villagers living in camps

With Regards
Ashok

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Re: CGnet is awarded "the best e-content in South  Asia"

Posted by: "Surekha Sule" surekh...@gmail.com

Wed Jan 28, 2009 1:46 pm (PST)

CONGRATS! Very happy to learn about Manthan award.
Best
Surekha Sule

On 1/28/09, Praveen <pmanikp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Congratulations to all the members of CGnet family!
>
> CGnet is awarded "the best e-content in South Asia" under
> e-news category. CGnet was selected for the Manthan award from among
> 13 other entries from India, Srilanka , Bangladesh and other
> neighboring south Asian nations. It's a great message for the people
> that citizen journalism has vital role in the development of the
> country. I received the award on behalf of CGnet at New Delhi. The
> Manthan Awards are held annually by the Digital Empowerment Foundation.
>
> For more details -
>
> http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=FphpH-v7slY
>
> http://www.manthanaward.org/section_full_story.asp?id=665
>
> Once again congratulations to all the CGnet members!
>
> Lets work harder to make CGnet a true "Chhattisgariya man ke apan website"
> --
> Praveen Manikpuri
> New Delhi
>
>
>
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Human Rights Watch writes to Orissa CM on recruitment of tribal yout

Posted by: "Shalini Gera" shalinig...@yahoo.com   shalinigera

Wed Jan 28, 2009 6:03 pm (PST)

http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2009/01/27/letter-chief-minister-orissa-plans-recruiting-tribal-youth-special-police-officers
Letter to Chief Minister of Orissa on Plans of Recruiting Tribal Youth as
Special Police Officers<http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2009/01/27/letter-chief-minister-orissa-plans-recruiting-tribal-youth-special-police-officers>
January 23, 2009

Chief Minister Navin Patnaik
Government of Orissa
Naveen Nivas,
Aerodrome Road,
Bhubaneswar,
Orissa 751001

Via facsimile: +91 674 2535100

Re: Special Police Officers

Dear Chief Minister:

Human Rights Watch is an international nongovernmental organization that
monitors human rights abuses by governments and non-state armed groups in
more than 80 countries around the world. I write to express deep concern
regarding the Orissa Home Department's plan to recruit an estimated 2,000
tribal youth as special police officers (SPOs) to counter Naxalite violence
in the region. In particular, we are concerned about the use of SPOs for
paramilitary purposes, and the possibility that children under the age of 18
may be recruited in violation of the Home Department's stated age limits.

India's Police Act, 1861, empowers local magistrates to temporarily appoint
civilians as SPOs to perform the roles of "ordinary officers of police."
Such appointments are meant as a stop-gap measure where the police force is
otherwise believed to be insufficient. However, the language of the statute
does not envision the deployment of SPOs in roles comparable to those played
by paramilitary police such as the Central Reserve Police Force and the
Indian Reserve Battalions. Section 17 of the Act states that magistrates may
appoint SPOs "for such time and within such limits as he shall deem
necessary" when "it shall appear that any unlawful assembly, or riot or
disturbance of the peace and taken place, or may be reasonably apprehended,
and that the police-force ordinarily employed for preserving the peace is
not sufficient."

Home Department officials have been quoted by the press as saying that SPOs
in Orissa will be "doing the same things that the SPOs in Chhattisgarh are
doing." An investigation conducted by Human Rights Watch in Chhattisgarh in
2007 and 2008 found that SPOs were routinely deployed alongside paramilitary
police on anti-Naxalite combing operations. In fact, police officials in
Chhattisgarh admitted that SPOs have been responsible for numerous human
rights violations and disciplinary action had to be taken against them.
Recently, an inquiry had been ordered into the killing of 17 alleged
Naxailites in an encounter in Chhattisgarh's Dantewada district. Human
rights activists said that the encounter was faked and it was villagers that
were killed. Several SPOs were involved in this operation.

SPOs received training that was far inferior to that given to civil police.
Many SPOs in Chhattisgarh have been killed or injured in armed exchanges
with Naxalites and in Naxalite detonations of landmines and improvised
explosive devises (IEDs). We also found that SPOs were often targeted for
Naxalite reprisals. (The full findings of Human Rights Watch's report can be
found in "Being Neutral is our Biggest Crime: Government, Vigilante, and
Naxalite Abuses in India's Chhattisgarh State," online at
http://www.hrw.org/en/reports/2008/07/14/being-neutral-our-biggest-crime...<http://www.hrw.org/en/reports/2008/07/14/being-neutral-our-biggest-crime>
)

While the Orissa state government has an obligation to provide for the
security of the population against human rights abuses by Naxalites,
measures to maintain law and order must be in accordance with both national
and international law. However, Indian human rights lawyers who have studied
the conflict in Chhattisgarh contend that "the Indian Police Act does not
envisage en masse recruitment of SPOs," and that the deployment of SPOs
against Naxalites is a "blatant abuse" of the Police Act. We therefore urge
the Orissa government to ensure that SPOs are not deployed in paramilitary
operations against Naxalites.

We are also concerned about the possible recruitment of children as SPOs.
Our investigation in Chhattisgarh found that police often recruited SPOs
with little regard for minimum age standards, and that many children,
including some as young as 14, were recruited and used for dangerous armed
operations. In some cases, child Naxalites who surrendered to government
forces were also used as SPOs, even though still under age 18. Such
practices place children at grave risk, and violate India's obligations
under the Optional Protocol to the Convention on the Rights of the Child on
the involvement of children in armed conflict, which sets 18 as the minimum
age for any direct participation in hostilities. India became a party to the
Optional Protocol in 2005.

We urge the Orissa Home Department to ensure that its age guidelines
(stipulating that SPOs should be between the ages of 18-25 and have
completed eighth standard) are strictly enforced. To avoid underage
recruitment, the Home Department should insist on proper age documentation
for all SPO applicants, and reject any applicants who cannot produce
documents proving that they are at least 18 years of age.
While the Naxalites present a real security threat to the people of Orissa,
the Orissa government should ensure that its response to this threat does
not give rise to additional human rights violations.

Thank you for considering our recommendations. We would appreciate learning
about any steps that you take in this regard.

Sincerely yours,

Brad Adams
Executive Director
Asia Division

Cc: P. Chidambaram, Home Minister, Government of India, North Block, New
Delhi 110001; National Human Rights Commission, Faridkot House, Copernicus
Marg, New Delhi 110001
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36garh Diary | 29 | Jan | 2009

Posted by: "Praveen" pmanikp...@gmail.com   praveen_irm

Wed Jan 28, 2009 9:27 pm (PST)

Dear Friends,

Here is the News about Chhattisgarh in the media today€ ¦’¥

Read about Salwa Judum in Chhattisgarh's school textbook
Fresh News - Delhi,Delhi,India
Chhattisgarh's controversial counter-insurgency civil militia
campaign, Salwa Judum, has found a mention in school textbooks with
the state government ...

Chhattisgarh minister conducts surprise check of Salwa Judum camps
Thaindian.com - Bangkok,Bangkok,Thailand
About 50000 tribal people of more than 700 forested villages in
Bijapur and neighbouring Dantewada district are housed in 23
government-run camps since the ...

Education department recommends banning of corporal punishment
Indopia - India
Raipur , Jan 28 The Chhattisgarh School Education department here has
decided to recommend enactment of a law banning corporal punishment in
schools, ...

More news can be found with full coverage at...
http://www.cgnet.in/Med/diary/cgdiary290109

Pls send your suggestions on how do you find CG Diary and how to make
it more useful for all of us.

If you see/know/experience something which you think should be shared
with people pls write to us at cgnet...@gmail.com . If you want we can
conceal your identity.

Regards,
Praveen Manikpuri
for CGnet moderators team

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