you mean money from a show dog can only be made from champions?? Again, I
don't claim any knowledge in that area. I just assumed since so many people
look for show dogs, it was because there were winnings ($$) involved. As
far as just breeding for pets, yea, a person COULD make a lot of money. They
do it by breeding those tinies and claiming "teacup", but like you said,
there is no such thing!! so basically, it is a gimmick, but it
works....people can get a couple of thousand dollars just because a chi will
be small. To me, that is sooo stupid!! My smallest chi is currently 2 1/2
pounds and I am trying to put weight on her! I don't want one that small!!
BUT, to me, she is certainly no more valuable than my 7 pounder. It is my
opinion that it is bad ethics to charge so much money for any chi. But that
is just my opinion. Personally, I normally get in the neighborhood of $300
to $400 for a pup, and that barely covers my cost (if it covers them at all)
Marsha
----- Original Message -----
From: "imkoogie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <Chihuahuas@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 1:28 PM
Subject: [Chihuahuas] Re: Safe breeding weight for Chis? - breeders, etc
> Hi Marsha and all,
>
> I found the higher priced Chi's when I was looking, were basically
> puppy mill dogs. There are no such thing as "teacup" chi's, only
> those bred to be abnormally small. Money can be made only in
> breeding a champ (stud) that has consistantly won. However, there
> are always no guarantees as to pup quality.
> Vicki
>
>
> --- In Chihuahuas@yahoogroups.com, "marsha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> > I can't claim to know anything about showing, as I don't show. I
> just knew they could potentially make a lot of money so I can
> understand why they would be willing to invest more money in a top
> of the line chi. But for us normal folks, I just don't uddy why
> breeders feel the right to charge so much.
> > Marsha
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Kay Lewis
> > To: Chihuahuas@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 8:35 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Chihuahuas] Safe breeding weight for Chis?
> >
> >
> > I was never aware that show winners won big bucks, and those
> trophies are only gold or silver plated...
> > Showing a dog costs thousands of dollars above and beyond the
> normal cost of keeping a dog.. There's a
> > professional trainer and sometimes a handler. Training for
> show takes weeks..... Shipping costs and sometimes boarding costs.
> Then the cost for the humans who have to go along, logings and food,
> plus high dollar salary.......... Vet bills, and to get to a
> champion level, this process has to be repeated many times. Not a
> poor mans hobby.......... I've known international grand
> champion owners and they were always in the red.
> >
> >
> >
> > marsha wrote:
> >
> > Some people do make money from it. I mean there is no way that
> it is necessary to charge a couple of thousand dollars for any dog.
> But once some breeders see they have a pup that is going to be
> really small or have really neat colors, they suddenly up the price.
> I am sorry, but I just don't understand that! I mean why is a cute
> little bridle 2 1/2 pounder worth so much more than the 6 pound
> brown??? To me, they are all worth a million bucks, but I, like you,
> am happy to simply cover my out of pocket expenses. Sometimes I do,
> and some times I loose a LOT. Of course, I can understand the
> champion show line dogs being a bit more, after all the buyer will
> possibly win a lot of money over the years from show winnings.
> > p.s. yours are adorable!
> > Marsha
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Cindy Andrilli
> > To: Chihuahuas@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 3:57 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Chihuahuas] Safe breeding weight for Chis?
> >
> >
> > Hi Marsha , you seem like a smart woman and I like what you
> have to say. I agree with you. I have been breeding since the late
> 99 early 2000, but I started out with merles and they were bigger
> dogs. I am now getting into some of the smaller dogs and even with
> the experience I have I am treading lightly. I will wait on HObb's
> 3 rd or 4th heat because she is small. I am also looking for the
> right male for her.. I have gone back to the breeder that I got her
> from and we have been talking genetic's so I get a male that comes
> from a small genetic tree. Hobb's (my brindle) will weigh between 3
> 12 to 4 lbs when grown. I will be very careful with her and if it
> doesn't feel right then it isn't and I will wait till it does..
> >
> > Also , my lil Margie is due to go into her second heat and
> she is 4 1/4 lb.. I might wait till her 3rd heat to breed her.. I
> have Petie who weighs the same as her but I think she is young.. I
> will decide once she goes into heat but if I had to decide today
> then I would wait one more heat cycle.. My opinion..
> >
> > If you want to see who I am talking about they are all named
> on my site.. www.cindyrillis-chihuahuas.net Cindy
> >
> > P. S. Marsha, I just reread what you wrote.. If it wasn't
> for people who care about standard of the chi, the health of the
> dog, and all around well being then I worry what would happen to
> this breed... I don't like mixing the lines, and for those that
> want a pure bred chi , a good breeder is nice to have around;
> especially if they are doing it for the love of the chi, not the
> $$$. Of course you need to recover what you put into the dogs;
> plus time for poop pick up and cleaning supplies, and such.. Loving
> the babies I figure is for free, but if I recover the basic's then I
> am happy . Last night we had to buy dog food. A 35 lb bag of Royal
> Canine puppy med 32 and a 3 lb bag of Royal Canine Chihuahua 28 was
> 38.00 plus 13.00 and some canned food of 5.00. totalled me 56.00.
> This is what I feed for the month.. I have two that have pups in the
> oven right now so they are a vit. suppliment and then I make them a
> doggie corn bread treat... Plus I buy all kinds of doggie chews and
> treats.. They have collars and chains ( I walk them - weather
> permitting) and a whole laundry basket full of toys.. I can't get
> out of wal mart with out just that one toy.. Also I buy blankets
> for them and doggie beds..This all adds up. but I don't mind.. I
> love every minute of what I am doing.
> >
> > I am explaining when someone doesn't understand when you ask
> $$ for the pup. You really don't make that much after you look at
> all you put into it. And if your mamma had delivery problems then
> you are in the red and hope the next litter will help rebuild your
> credit card back up for the next time.. So you have to love what
> you are doing.
> >
> > marsha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > This would depend mostly on the sir being used! For
> instance, even if you
> > have a 4 pound female and a sir that throws 6 pound
> puppies, you are asking
> > for trouble. However, if you have a sir that throws really
> small pups, you
> > can go with a lower weight. Breeders generally will not
> breed a chi under 3
> > pounds, but even 3 pounds would not be smart unless they
> are very
> > experienced and know alot about their sirs background. I
> have a 2 1/2 pound
> > female that I am trying to get to 3 pound so I can breed
> with a sir that I
> > know throws small pups. HOWEVER, I have over 10 years
> experience breeding
> > chis and am very familiar with my sir. I would NOT
> recommend this for
> > someone who does not know exactly what they are doing and
> does not have the
> > experience and ability to step in should difficulties
> arise during delivery!
> > For a new breeder, I would not recommend them starting out
> with a chi less
> > than 4 or possibly 4 1/2 pounds.
> >
> > And for the record, I am not attempting to breed for the
> SIZE. Size is not
> > no where near as important as the health of the pups. I am
> seeking to breed
> > Dinah because she is so close to standards. She has all
> the characteristics
> > I am looking for in a chi. This would be her 2nd litter,
> but she had a
> > litter before I got her, so I don't know how that went.
> She was, in my
> > opinion, to small to have been bred by the previous owner!
> My plans is to
> > breed her to my small throwing sir, keep the largest
> female that is up to
> > standards, to breed with my more experienced male later
> on. The male I am
> > planning to use with Dinah, will not be used with other
> females because he
> > does throw to small....less chance of breedable pups. Any
> pups born that are
> > not expected to reach at least 3 1/2 pounds, are sold on a
> spay/ neuter
> > contract only.
> >
> > I am sure some of you non breeders may find all of this
> offensive, but the
> > breeders will understand what I am saying. Breeders must
> do stuff like this
> > so that non breeders can have those perfect little chis
> they love so much.
> > Marsha
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Cornelia Malies" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <Chihuahuas@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 11:49 AM
> > Subject: [Chihuahuas] Safe breeding weight for Chis?
> >
> >
> > > A friend of mine and I had a discussion. What would be a
> safe breeding
> > > weight for a female Chi? I think you shouldnt breed
> under like 3 1/2
> > > to 4 pounds.But thats just me i guess. Gimme your
> opinion please
> > > Connie
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