Simple answer...I wanted another stud because I AM a Breeder...kinda hard to breed with out a guy, in case you didn't know. However, you may be tickled to death to know that I DID invest in another male, for Ginger's sake, but will NOT be breeding him because he is NOT suitable for my breeding purposes, but I WILL be getting another male for breeding purposes when I can afford it and the reaosn I can not afford it right now is because I DON'T breed for money...if I did, I could be rich.
There is no breeder in which you agree with their breeding. You are completely anti breeding, yet you have no problem with having chis....do you think your chis dropped out of the thin air??? Either they came from a byb (even if, and especially if a pound rescue) or else they were purchased from a breeder who intentionally breeds. Know what Nonnie, I have had this argument with you for too long, you don't have a clue who I am or what I am about. I take great pride in my chis and if you disagree, so what, screw you. I have tried to ignore your little comments, I have tried to play nice, I even left the group temporarily at one point to keep from saying something to you. I am not playing your games any more. You are a jerk and i am sure you feel the same about me. I will not reply to your smart elic remarks any more, but I am not gonna turn my back on a group I enjoy because You choose to make people misserable. If you have something to say about me, tell it to whomever you want OFF POST....if anyone wants to hear my version or verify anything you tell them, they can ask me OFF POST, but it is time to stop subjecting the rest of the group to this. Marsha > Very few BYB's ever consider themselves BYB's. Especially when they cry > they have no money, can't afford another breeding male, yet want to > breed puppies.... hmm Marsha... why do you need another male. Its not a > dog you have been endeared to just one you want to use as a stud .... is > it just to raise puppies and increase some income????? > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chihuahuas@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Marsha Taylor > Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 11:13 AM > To: Chihuahuas@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [Chihuahuas] Re: Hi from a Newbie > > > > No doubt this topic may lead to much discussion and controversy since > their are many different oppinions....but..... > While there are many issues that differentiate between legit breeders > and BYB, I think with your horses, you understand the MAIN issue. A byb > breeds for no reason other than dollar signs. Once the money ceases to > come in from the breeding, they are off to other ventures. A legit > breeder actually cares about the animal they are breeding. Just as your > horses were bred because you loved the traits and personality of the > specific horse you were breeding. A lot like people reproduce.....we can > all just go out and adopt (as I did) or we can produce a child with a > person whom we have fallen in love with because we want an extension of > ourselves and that person. > > Can mistakes and bad outcomes happen with a legit breeder?? Absolutely! > The question is, do we do everything we can to prevent the bad and > create the best? Do we sacrifice all to assure the best possible? Yes. > > If you have been happy with your horse, have done all the neccessary > ground work to assure health, ect., have taken responsibility for the > offspring, rather that be keeping them or finding them the best possible > homes, then it really doesn't matter if some people choose to think you > are a byb. You answer only to yourself, God and the animals you produce. > I am not a horse person, so I don't understand a lot of what you said, > but sounds to me as if you had your head on straight when you choose to > breed your horse. > > As for Drake, what difference does it make at this point if his breeder > was or was not a byb? Yes, we should try to avoid buying from byb's in > order to discourage the continuation, but now that you have him, all > that matters is what you do in the future. > > Marsha > >> I really hate the term backyard breeder. It gets very confusing to me >> what that means. I am assuming a lot that goes on with horses >> breeding also applies to dogs. I do know dog breeders that surgically >> correct defects to show there dogs. I am also a horse breeder of >> halter horses so I do know what you are saying about HYPP in the >> quarter horses. I raise Paints and APHA is doing nothing about the >> HYPP issue. I have never felt they should be allowed to be shown. To >> lose a class to a genetic defect, pisses me off. I don't own any HYPP >> horses. I have owned one gelding with HYPP about 18 years ago. He was >> symptomatic. It was very sad to me. My friends all have HYPP horses >> and even would breed H/H horses to win. HYPP is not common in >> backyard breeders as it is in the bigger well known breeders. They >> just insure the horses and collect when they die just to buy more >> horses with HYPP. The sad part is many horses that they purposely >> breed to get the gene of greatness (HYPP) is they are not all show >> quality. Then they are useless as a riding horse. Dangerous in my >> opinion. I have never bought a horse from a big named halter breeder. >> I am not sure I ever would. There is just to much that I know they do >> to the horses to win. If backyard breeders are just doing it for the >> money then big time breeders are doing it for even more money. I >> think there is many good horses sitting in someone's backyard that >> will never be shown because they just are not into showing, the >> politics or they just don't know what they have. Only a small >> percentage of all horses are shown. Not so much that they are not show >> quality. I have also seen so horses in the top ten stallions that >> never should be there. They are there only because the owners have >> money and can hirer the right trainer and take them to enough shows. I >> have always trained and shown my own horses. I have done good and I >> have done bad. I don't know if I am being judged or the horse. There >> is just to much politics in a halter class. So in many ways show >> records do not mean much to me. I do have show records on most of my >> horses. My best mare does not have a show record. She does not even >> look like much. She is Wimpy's great granddaughter. She is very >> foundation looking. Not like the modern halter horse at all. She >> produces the most gorgeous foals. If I was not a backyard breeder 20 >> years ago I might not never known that I had a great mare. She was in >> heat. I loved her great mind and wanted a baby from her. She was just >> my kids horse that I paid $200 for. I rode her down to a breeding farm >> that had a nice Paint Stallion I thought would cross good on her. He >> also did not have to much of a show career do to injury, but his >> babies where doing good at the shows. My foal was one of his best >> ever. That let me know what I had if I breed her to the right >> stallion. I continued to breed her to different stallions and learned >> to show them. I have never shown out of CA but we have several State >> Champions out of her and her foals. I have now raised 6 generation of >> foals. Some people might call me a backyard breeder because I don't >> have a big name and I do breed to my own stallions now after many >> years of breeding to world champions. I will say my stallions foals >> are twice the quality I ever got from paying thousands of dollars on >> stud fees. Sometimes I would like to take the credit for the quality I >> get. I think breeding is an art. You also have to have an eye for it. >> In someway I was lucky. I had a mare that was a producer. She passed >> this on to her foals. >> >> Back to dogs. I do know the breeder of Drake did produce a dog with a >> great personality and temperament. She did give him a full series of >> vaccines and raised him to be 4 months old before she sold him. He was >> in good health and pretty good manners. I never met the breeder. I did >> meet the older daughters who sold him at the grocery store. >> >> >> --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:Chihuahuas%40yahoogroups.com> >> ups.com, > "Nonnie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>> anyone can create any registry and it doesn't matter. its the >> quality of >>> the dog and its background that is important. I could care less >> what >>> registry if any a dog is with. Most shouldn't be registered as >> quality >>> anyways. I think a dog should have to pass genetic testing and >> physical >>> traits before it could be registered. That would eliminate alot of >> the >>> backyard breeders who are breeding for money. PEOPLE think because >> a dog is >>> registered anything its something special.... its NOT!! Its a piece >> of paper >>> that's all. >>> >>> At least the AQHA American Quarter Horse is doing something. As of >> 2007 >>> they will no longer register HYPP postive horses which means you >> darn well >>> better test the parents before you breed if you expect ot have a >> registered >>> quarter horse. >>> >>> Nonnie >>> >>> PS Back yard breeders never identify themselves as BYB - and puppy >> millers >>> never admit to being a puppy mill. They all say they are trying to >> improve >>> the breed. A lot of people who breed don't have a pot to piss in >>> financially and keep saying that they can't afford this or that but >> they are >>> still breeding puppies... makes you know why ... its because they >> sell them >>> and make money inspite of what they say. >>> >>> I call a spade a spade >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:Chihuahuas%40yahoogroups.com> >>> ups.com >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:Chihuahuas%40yahoogroups.com> >> ups.com] > On >>> Behalf Of Marsha Taylor >>> Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 11:37 PM >>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:Chihuahuas%40yahoogroups.com> ups.com >>> Subject: Re: [Chihuahuas] Re: Hi from a Newbie >>> >>> >>> >>> > whether >>> CKC is good or bad depends on who you are talking to, lol. I prefer >> the >>> AKC, but am considering dual registering my AKC's because it seems >> most >>> people are wanting >>> CKC these days. >>> >>> So maybe your baby didn't come from the best of places. My first chi >>> didn't either. I was in 8th grade, and he came from a puppy mill. I >> didn't >>> know then what I know now. Nonetheless, he gave me 16 wonderful >> years and >>> I wouldn't have taken anything for him. Now that you have your baby, >>> forget what his past was and focus on the wonderful future you have >> with >>> him! >>> :-) >>> >>> My chis love to play with my bigger dogs. In fact, I have a >> Husky/wolf mix >>> that they adore! Like you, I never leave them unattended...why take >>> chances, they can be accidently harmed....but at the same time, I >> don't >>> worry a bit when the chis are outside playing with the big dogs. >> The only >>> thing I worry about is Ginger trying to take Barley out of the >> yard...they >>> both know better!! lol. She is one that don't mind anything and >> loves to >>> get the others in trouble, lol. >>> >>> Marsha > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. 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