Hi Lois, I do skin some of the fatter pieces...like thighs and breasts that seem to have lots of skin but leave it on legs and wings. They need some fat! YES...thats the cool thing about the Maverick Grinder...ya just put the whole piece in bone and all. It is amazing...grinds it like it's butter!!! I do have to trim a little meat off the legs because the opeing is a little small to fit a fatter leg through and I cut my breasts to fit...but yes bone and all!!! Once ground...you never know there is bone in it!!! It truley is amazing!!
Yes!!!! Wild game is GREAT!!!!!! mine get pheasant, quail, venison, elk, caribou, moose, trout, salmon, ocean fish too...whatever my hubby and his friends bring home!! Now, the grinder does not do beef bones...but i just let them chew on the bones with me watching...just till they get all the meat off and clean the bone really good!! They love beef rib bones...like christmas when they get them...but the bones can be too hard on their teeth so just while I am watching. Remember the 80% raw meat...10% edible raw bone...10% organs (kidney and liver) Eggs are great too...raw. DogtorJ says an egg a day as it is the perfect protein!! Remember heart and Gizzards are considered a meat not an organ when figuring your percents. And remember that raw chicken breast is the easiest meat to digest so great to start with! I stick with one meat for a few days and then switch to another type so they get a variety...which is important but I would say chicken is probably what they get the most of. Don't forget about lamb...it is one of the cleanest meats you can feed as sheep cannot be raised in feed lots...they have to graze or they die!!! Hugs In Him, Deanna And the Corey Crew: Wife to my best friend: Mark-ie Pooh...married 29 years 6/27/10 Mom to 4 Children: Andrea 26, Jimmy 22, Baxter 19 and Molly 11 Grandma to 4: Lori, Evelyn Rose, Jack and Cameron Mom to Fur babies: Nugget (MiniPoodle)www.dogster.com/dogs/1085245, Shuai-Li (Shih Tzu)www.dogster.com/dogs/1129251, Bella-Rose (Pomeranian)http://www.dogster.com/dogs/1136706 Mouse (Chihuahua)www.dogster.com/dogs/1005934, Myrtle May (Chihuahua) and Caleb (Rott/chow mix)www.dogster.com/dogs/988612 Mom to feathered kids: Stella (Blue and Gold Macaw) and Stanley (Double Yellow Headed Amazon) and the curtain climber: Miles www.catster.com/cats/895000 ________________________________ From: chihuahua <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thu, September 2, 2010 10:11:40 PM Subject: Fwd: Fwd: Re: Fwd: Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: [Chihuahuas] ...Hello Darcey n Deanna I sent this before, but it didn't show up in my mail??? ------------ Forwarded message ------------ From: chihuahua<[email protected]> Date: Sep 2, 2010 Subject: Fwd: Re: Fwd: Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: [Chihuahuas] ...Hello Darcey n Deanna To: [email protected] Hi Deanna, So sorry for not responding sooner my Internet service is the pits!!! Thank you so much for the info...I am really anxious to get started...Still a couple of questions... Should I skin the chicken? And do you mean if I buy this grinder I can add bones like a leg or thigh and grind the whole thing? Also what about wild game? Thanks to for the directions for the dog beds...sounds pretty easy... Thanks again, Lois ------------ Forwarded message ------------ From: Deanna Corey <[email protected]> Date: Sep 1, 2010 Subject: Re: Fwd: Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: [Chihuahuas] ...Hello Darcey n Deanna To: [email protected] Ok Lois...here goes! I would start with chicken meat...actually chicken breast as it is the easiest of all meats to digest. You will need a ratio of 85% raw meat, 10% raw edible bone (not weight bearing ones) and 5% organs. For little guys I wouldn't worry too much about weighing out portions but the average rule of thumb is 3% of body weight to start with. As they gain or lose you can adjust amounts but to begin with I would just let them eat what they want. In the beginning I might chop the chicken breast in small pieces and chop up the cartlidge as well. Or if you have $99 I would buy the Maverick meat grinder from www.pierceequipment.com It grinds up all chicken bones like butter!!!! The bone is important to balance out the phospherous/calcium ratios. The organs are needed as well. As they get use to the meat smell and taste and texture I would then start giving them wings to chew on. The meat/bone ratio is not the best but it will teach them to crunch up the bone...later you can add big chunks of half breasts or legs and thighs. My Chi's are so small I feel better giving them ground and then some wings and caornish game hens to munch whole pieces of...as the bones are smaller and softer. That is how I started...now I feed lots of other meats...PLEASE make sure your chicken is NOT enhanced or plumped...as that will cause diharrea...I like Foster Farms brand! I still do not feed pork...but lamb and beef and rabbit are awesome. I have a guy who sells and ships fresh rabbits...either whole, or ground with bone in or however you want it. He is a very nice man in Utah! You can feed eggs raw as well. My guys LOVE raw eggs! I do not mix the meats...I serve one for a couple of days and then move to another. Remember that lamb is the cleanest meat you can feed. Sheep NEED to graze and can not be kept in feed lots so they have nice clean grass to munch...they will die if attempted to be raised any other way. Really once you get the hang of it...it is really easy and just as cheap as a good kibble. You will most likely experience many awesome results...cleaner teeth and breath, amazing coats in about a month, perfect formed stools with way less odor...and the stools themselves will be way less as there is little that goes to waste...better energy, fungus type infections like yeast in ears etc will vanish. It really is amamzing!!! Remember too that bone and organs help to balalnce stools...if you get loose stools then you need to add more bone to their diet...if you get a little constipation add more organs. Heart and gizzards are considered a muscle meat...not organs. They are great to feed but are considered in the 85% meat part. Kidneys and Liver are organs...both chicken and beef. My guys are not fond of organs too much but they need them...so I just add them into the grinder with a few breasts and they just never know they are there...shhhhh! That way too I know how much they are getting. So to sum up: 85%/10%/5%/-meat/bone/organ ratio 3% proposed adult body weight fed need variety of meats Need to crunch some bone for teeth but meals can be ground if you are worried about splinters Bone and organs balance stools NO veggies or fruit or grains! get a Maverick grinder @ www.pierceequipment.com You will NEVER go back!!!!! Hugs In Him, Deanna And the Corey Crew: Wife to my best friend: Mark-ie Pooh...married 29 years 6/27/10 Mom to 4 Children: Andrea 26, Jimmy 22, Baxter 19 and Molly 11 Grandma to 4: Lori, Evelyn Rose, Jack and Cameron Mom to Fur babies: Nugget (MiniPoodle)www.dogster.com/dogs/1085245, Shuai-Li (Shih Tzu)www.dogster.com/dogs/1129251, Bella-Rose (Pomeranian)http://www.dogster.com/dogs/1136706 Mouse (Chihuahua)www.dogster.com/dogs/1005934, Myrtle May (Chihuahua) and Caleb (Rott/chow mix)www.dogster.com/dogs/988612 Mom to feathered kids: Stella (Blue and Gold Macaw) and Stanley (Double Yellow Headed Amazon) and the curtain climber: Miles www.catster.com/cats/895000 ________________________________ From: chihuahua <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tue, August 31, 2010 5:02:31 PM Subject: Fwd: Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: [Chihuahuas] ...Hello Darcey n Deanna ------------ Forwarded message ------------ From: chihuahua <[email protected]> Date: Aug 31, 2010 Subject: Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: [Chihuahuas] ...Hello Darcey n Deanna To: [email protected] YES!!! Please share...I thought about this last night and went to a couple web sites...Went to the freezer and took out a couple pork chops...All the time thinking no way my chi's will go for this...Today I cut the chops in small pieces and served it up...They all looked at it like you have to be kiding...Then Luci cleaned her plate...Mini ate a a little but I think I will have to grind the the meat for her...Tiki took a coulpe of bites and turned her nose up and walked away...Luci woould have eaten all three plates if I had let her...I guess plates sounds funny, but they each have their own...Not spoild are they? Thanks so much, Lois ------------ Forwarded message ------------ From: Darcy Jacobs <[email protected]> Date: Aug 30, 2010 Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [Chihuahuas] lois...Hello To: [email protected] hi, im new to chi's but have been feeding raw to my danes almost 2 years now... when i started them "sillygoose" was 5 yrs...beautiful was 2 and my boy "McDreamy" was 12 weeks old... i just started my chi at 7 weeks old (one lb) and her brother , by the time we got him he was 12 weeks old... he has only been on raw food for 5 days now and has gone from watery bloody stool , coccidia, hair loss and too weak and depleted to even hold his ears up ...to a bouncy happy ball of oh my goodness...iams is not a good kibble... check the ingredients... you don't want corn, grain or "by-products" if you would like some feeding ideas id be glad to share what i do that is working so well ...easy-peasy darcy ________________________________ From: Deanna Corey <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Mon, August 30, 2010 7:28:56 PM Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [Chihuahuas] Hello I feed raw and started some of mine when they were older! I will never go back!!! I have had GREAT results with coats, teeth, far less seizures with my Poodle, and GREAT stools!!! I am one happy dog mom!!! The Fabulous Five are flourishing on the raw diet!!! 85% raw meat, 10% raw bones and 5% organs! Hugs In Him, Deanna And the Corey Crew: Wife to my best friend: Mark-ie Pooh...married 29 years 6/27/10 Mom to 4 Children: Andrea 26, Jimmy 22, Baxter 19 and Molly 11 Grandma to 4: Lori, Evelyn Rose, Jack and Cameron Mom to Fur babies: Nugget (MiniPoodle)www.dogster.com/dogs/1085245, Shuai-Li (Shih Tzu)www.dogster.com/dogs/1129251, Bella-Rose (Pomeranian)http://www.dogster.com/dogs/1136706 Mouse (Chihuahua)www.dogster.com/dogs/1005934, Myrtle May (Chihuahua) and Caleb (Rott/chow mix)www.dogster.com/dogs/988612 Mom to feathered kids: Stella (Blue and Gold Macaw) and Stanley (Double Yellow Headed Amazon) and the curtain climber: Miles www.catster.com/cats/895000 ________________________________ From: chihuahua <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Mon, August 30, 2010 4:08:21 PM Subject: Fwd: Re: [Chihuahuas] Hello I have never tried raw feeding...I feed my Chi's cooked chicken (legs and thighs skinless) and some Ims dry dog food...How many here do the raw feeding? And could you start an older dog on this? Sorry for all the questions... Thank you, Lois ------------ Forwarded message ------------ From: Darcy Jacobs <[email protected]> Date: Aug 29, 2010 Subject: Re: [Chihuahuas] Hello To: [email protected] would you consider raw feeding. i read it really helps diminish seizures and controls weight... ________________________________ From: chihuahua <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sun, August 29, 2010 1:36:58 AM Subject: [Chihuahuas] Hello Hello, My name is Lois and I think I was in this group before but it had a diffrent name? I live in Virginia with my husband Gary and our 3 chi's Luci 8, Mini 7 and Tiki 6 yrs. old...Tiki is Luci's baby... I have a question...Luci is having a really hard time with seizures...This started about a year ago we have been to the vet several times he had her on meds but they did not help and she gained so much weight that he took her off of them...She only has the seizures when she is sleeping...She wakes up screaming almost like a babies crying, then shakes and gags and is over it...I thoought I would ask if anyone in the group has had this problem? I just can't understand why it is only while sleeping and only at night??? Her little legs are so deformed from the weight gain and she has such a hard time getting around, but she is a little go getter and waddles around on her own...We love her so much it hurts us to see her this way...We give her all the love we can... I would be greatful for any information you can give me... Thanks so much for your help, Lois
