Hi Mary She was diagnosed with Kennel Cough. It's ended up being a somewhat rather severer case than the bloody damned shelter led me to believe. This is actually her second round of treatments.
As I understand it, as highly contagious as it is, it's also not as simple as people seem to think. A dog that's been exposed won't necessarily get the disease. It seems, from the research that I've done, that it's facilitated by a number of factors and caused by a number of vectors and underlying health issues. Stress tends to be a major trigger which is why the disease is so rampant in shelters and places like kennels, boarding facilities, vet offices, and grooming boutiques. You can have shelter dogs side by side and not every dog will get the cough. There are cases of nose-to-nose contact between healthy and unhealthy dogs without the disease spreading. Not that I'd recommend this. We'll see. Her cough is still bad. But it's not nearly as persistent as when I first brought her home. So hopefully she's on the mend and won't need further antibiotics come Saturday. --- In [email protected], "Mary Nellum" <marykins@...> wrote: > > Was she diagnosed with kennel cough? > > Our vet told us earlier this year that kennel cough is airborne. I didn't > know that - I thought it was spread by nose to nose contact or something > similar. > > Mary Nellum 501-697-5432    > Smiling Sox Pet Care and Dog Training > serving the Conway, Arkansas area > www.smilingsoxpc.com > Facebook Fan Page > -------Original Message------- > > From: freddyscribbles > Date: 5/9/2011 5:37:03 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [Chihuahuas] Re: SOS! Re-homing Pia Late May - early June - sooner > if something can be arranged > > She coughs in the morning. She coughs in the evening. Although, her coughing > is actually getting easier and less frequent. I think the fresh air may be > helping. Good food doesn't hurt either. > > Yes...based on her capacity to howl and bark and whine, you'd never think > she had respiratory issues... > > SA - Separation Anxiety. An SA dog is allegedly harder to rehabilitate that > fear-aggression or even aggression-aggression dogs. Just my luck... > > But since this afternoon's break through, I'll be interested to see if it is > in fact SA or just my human inability to figure out what this dog needed. > Maybe both. If it really is just an attention issue (finding the right kind > of way to jettison her energy) than she will be much easier to place. > > I'm starting to suspect that it is only partially SA. Since this morning's > play session, she's much more at ease. She doesn't feel the need to follow > me everywhere and keep me in her line of sight. And she's not under food. In > fact, I reckon the sleep she's getting now will be very, very good for her. > > So...in the case that it isn't SA...adoptable dog. If I can get the kennel > cough cleared and work on basic training between now and spay...better. As > I said...when she's not freaking out, she's pretty much an angel. But we're > just not clicking. And I'm not sure that's something that will develop with > time. > > --- In [email protected], Joan Croft <joan_croft@> wrote: > > > > Wellâ¦then if she is walking in the mountains where the air is easier to > > breathe, and she isn't gasping, then it should be fine. Does she do the > > coughing when you are walking also, and it is amazing that she can howl > and > > whine and whatever else with kennel cough. > > > > Humor me because I don't know about adopting, etc., but was is SA? > > > > > > > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > > Behalf Of freddyscribbles > > Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 2:48 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: [Chihuahuas] Re: SOS! Re-homing Pia Late May - early June - > sooner > > if something can be arranged > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Joan > > > > Most of the time she sleeps. I'm up in the mountains, so the air is > > relatively clear and pollen free. I reckon the 40 minute walk was still > > better for her lungs than say...last night's hour long howl fest. I did > > actually try to keep her quiet the first few days I had her home. But she > > wouldn't have anything to do with it. I mean...within two days, she must > > have been feeling much better because she was starting to bounce all over > > the place. There's only so much you can do to keep a dog quiet that doesn > t > > want to be quiet. So I started to gradually add small walks. Which have > sort > > of become longer walks. > > > > I've always left the radio on when I've left. Usually on country because > the > > music's pretty mellow and poppy. > > > > I will definitely try the kibble thing. She has pretty much stolen my > hoodie > > at this point. So I will try hiding some kibble in that. I had to return > the > > two types of dog treat I'd gotten her - she wouldn't eat them. Innova > > Biscuits and little dentine bones. Although I think she finally at the one > I > > had lying around last night. > > > > At this point, she's really unadoptable. No one will take a dog with > kennel > > cough. And no one will take a dog with SA. > > > > --- In [email protected] <mailto:Chihuahuas%40yahoogroups.com> , > > Joan Croft <joan_croft@> wrote: > > > > > > I am wondering if she was raised on a big parcel of landâ¦a farm or a > > ranch. > > > She loves to be outside and walking that far (I have to say that if I > ever > > > walked that far, I would be carrying two Chihuahuas back home because > they > > > get tired and Dolly starts lagging behind and then tries to scratch at > the > > > back of my legs so I can pick her up because she is tired.) > > > > > > So maybe due to coming from a place where she could have lots of space > to > > > run outside that she was never confined until she was rescued somewhere > > > before you got her. The kennel or whatever she was in before you got her > > > > was probably scary to her. Her first encounter may have been animal > > control > > > picking her up and putting her into one of those little cubbies on their > > > truck and then taken to a shelter and put into another cage. > > > > > > I do understand that you have to keep her away from your other dog > because > > > of the kennel cough. I think perhaps that I missed something. Neither of > > > my dogs have had kennel cough, but Dolly has had numerous respiratory > > > infections. Just as humans, dogs need to rest when they are ill. I don't > > > know where you live and what the pollen and allergen levels are, but the > > > kennel cough may require a little different treatment than if Pia did > not > > > have it. I know, as a human with respiratory infections, that even > though > > I > > > might want to go to the mall and walk, it will take a toll on me and > then > > I > > > will be worse for several days because my respiratory system could not > > > handle that much exercise when the respiratory system is compromised. > > > Adding to that, the pollen and allergens in the air, it takes too long > to > > > recover and if I were to continue doing it, then I would be sick for a > > very > > > long time. Pia may be feeling very weak after walking, even though she > > > loves to walk. But in my experience (Me and Dolly) things return to > normal > > > very fast if rest is given and the bodies can fight the infection/kennel > > > cough faster when allowed some rest. > > > > > > This is one other thing that I have found has worked. Sometimes when I > am > > > going to be gone for a longer period of time, I leave the TV or the > radio > > > on. Imagine yourself somewhere that is enclosed and you have only ¼ of a > > > mile to walk back and forth. You don't see anything out windows, you don > t > > > hear any noisesâ¦just youâ¦and there is nothing to distract you from > > > this > > > horrible silence. Someone told me this once, and it worked for mine. My > > > neighbor's dog started to be destructive when they were gone to work and > > > they started leaving the radio on for her, and that worked. Maybe you > turn > > > on the TV or the radio while you are working; then you turn it on when > you > > > go out. She may learn that being in that hallway is not as scary and > quiet > > > as it is without the background noise. > > > > > > Just trying to pull out of my brain things that have helped me. > > > > > > Does she like to eat? Desi has some treat toys where I put his kibble in > > > and he has to roll or push them. You could break up a couple of treats > and > > > maybe even put them in the middle of a rolled up blanket and it can keep > > her > > > occupied for quite a while and that is what I had to do for my Desi who > > > loves food but has so much energy that just giving him a treat it will > be > > > gone in nothing flat. I hide them in his toys, or under the padding of > his > > > bed and it stimulates his mind as well as getting the treats that he so > > > loves. > > > > > > Good luckâ¦I don't know if any of this helps. Do you need to keep Pia > until > > > she is over the KC, or can they find another foster while she is still > > > recovering? > > > > > > > > > > > > From: [email protected] <mailto:Chihuahuas%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:[email protected] <mailto:Chihuahuas%40yahoogroups.com> ] > > On > > > Behalf Of freddyscribbles > > > Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 12:15 PM > > > To: [email protected] <mailto:Chihuahuas%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: [Chihuahuas] Re: SOS! Re-homing Pia Late May - early June - > > sooner > > > if something can be arranged > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks so much Joan. > > > > > > As I said - snuggles seem to just make things so much worse. SO much > > worse. > > > Petting seems to keep things manageable. > > > > > > I discovered that Pia really seems to enjoy walking when I'd get her out > > to > > > go to the toilet out in the garden. We'd walk all over the garden so > long > > as > > > the grass was short. I started her out slowly - a few short walks up to > a > > > dumpster and back. Than to the cul de sac and back. Today we ended up > > going > > > all the way down to the wash and back - a two mile circuit. She had as > > much > > > if not more energy than the larger dog walking with us. And I'm pretty > > sure > > > that if I let her, she'd have kept right on walking. She's a pretty > > compact, > > > muscular little thing now that she's' got some nutrition. It also seems > to > > > help ease some of the psychological tension. > > > > > > Of everything I tried, walking is the ONLY thing that seems to have any > > > positive effect. She hides her toys. She hasn't figured out how to play > > with > > > them yet. Her hallway is quite long. L-shaped. Probably 8 feet and then > > > another 5-6 around the corner. She's got plenty of room to tear around > if > > > she wanted to. > > > > > > I have tried taking your advice regarding treats and enclosures and > > leaving. > > > When we come back from walks, I usually put her bed in the living room > by > > > the window so she can be near bye while I get my dose of morning > exercise. > > > Than it's Pia time. Quiet games. A little training (sit) for mental > > > stimulation. Her food freshly prepared. All GOOD positive things. Done > in > > > her enclosure. So that the hallway can be associated (TRYING) with > > positive > > > things like attention. And petting. And play time. And food. > > > > > > I am trying not to stress. When she howls, I leave. I go to another part > > of > > > the house. Away from her. Or, if I'm trying to correct the problem, I > may > > > leave, gather my thoughts, calm my mind, and get focused for working > with > > > the dog. I never work with her when I'm stressed because I know she will > > > sense it. And that is all she'd be focusing on. > > > > > > So...as I said. I'm listening. I'm trying. I'm not really sure anything > is > > > actually working. But...still trying. > > > > > > --- In [email protected] <mailto:Chihuahuas%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:Chihuahuas%40yahoogroups.com> , > > > Joan Croft <joan_croft@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Autumn. > > > > > > > > Just a few things that I thought of as I was reading your post: > > > > > > > > I do not think that the long walks are needed. If you are walking her > so > > > > much, then she is probably hungry because she is using so many > calories > > by > > > > all the walking that you are doing. She may also be sore because you > > have > > > > to remember how short her legs are.how many steps she has to take to > > match > > > > your one step. She comes home exhausted and she probably just needs > some > > > > time for you to hold her and talk to her. > > > > > > > > You come home from a long walk; you put her in her area; and then you > > give > > > > her a toy; and then she starts howling, whining, or whatever. Have you > > > ever > > > > brought her home from those long walks and then you take off her leash > > > > and > > > > then play with the toy with her? > > > > > > > > If she has not ever had toys before, she may not know what she is > > supposed > > > > to do with them except to have someone play with the toy with her. I > > don't > > > > know how long the hallway is where her little area is, but maybe just > > > > throwing the toy a few times and having her bring it back to you is > > > exercise > > > > to burn off some of her energy and also a behavior that dogs like to > > > > do.fetch; and also something that will bond the two of you. > > > > > > > > Also, if you are stressed, she can pick up on that. She may think that > > she > > > > is doing something wrong to make you feel that way. She may feel your > > > > stress and wants to comfort you. > > > > > > > > Dolly has always been pretty calm, she had a major respiratory > infection > > > > when I got her and was sick for three weeks before the vet cleared her > > of > > > > taking the antibiotics. Yes, I did hold her. I would talk to her and > > then > > > > when she was comfortable and relaxed, I would place her in her bed. > Each > > > > day, I was able to get her relaxed and asleep and then could put her > in > > > her > > > > bed a shorter time after she fell asleep. Within a week, she would no > > > > longer come to me when it was her nap time, but she would go to her > > little > > > > bed and take her nap. I think that the first few times that I put her > in > > > > her little 'gated community' she was barking and crying, but I had to > go > > > to > > > > an appointment. So, I gave her a little treat and told her that I > would > > be > > > > right back. So, I just kept doing the same thing, last thing before I > > > leave > > > > give her the treat, go out through the laundry room so I would shut > that > > > > door, and then she would hear the alarm. She learned the routine and > it > > > > didn't take long until I would give her the treat and then leave and > she > > > was > > > > not barking at all and then eventually it became that she LOVES when I > > go > > > > out because she gets a cookie, and she knows that when I give it to > her > > > and > > > > tell her that I will be right back, that I really will and do. > > > > > > > > Autumn, each person is different, each dog is different. If the two > > don't > > > > exactly make a good match it is not failure. It was a test, you took > the > > > > chance, you gave the dog a chance. It is good that you have identified > > > that > > > > the two of you are not really meant to be together and instead of you > > > being > > > > stressed all the time, and her feeling that stress and not having the > > > other > > > > dog that you think she needs to play with, you are making the decision > > to > > > > re-home her. That is admirable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: [email protected] <mailto:Chihuahuas%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:Chihuahuas%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:[email protected] <mailto:Chihuahuas%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:Chihuahuas%40yahoogroups.com> ] > > > On > > > > Behalf Of freddyscribbles > > > > Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 12:40 AM > > > > To: [email protected] <mailto:Chihuahuas%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:Chihuahuas%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: [Chihuahuas] SOS! Re-homing Pia Late May - early June - > sooner > > if > > > > something can be arranged > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Okay folks - this is an SOS. > > > > > > > > I had the best intentions. I still do. But I do not think I will be > able > > > to > > > > maintain 'calm assertive pack leader' much longer. It cannot be a good > > > thing > > > > when, in the back of your mind, you kind of quietly wish you could let > > her > > > > 'escape' for the coyotes - at least than I could get some sleep - it's > > > like > > > > mothers with those super crying babies... Before I start getting hate > > mail > > > - > > > > I would never do this. Nor would I ever return her to the shelter. But > > > this > > > > is not a mental state conducive to bringing around a neurotic dog. > This > > > dog > > > > deserves better than what I am able to provide. Or maybe I am what she > > > > needs. But I do not feel in the least bit bonded to this little girl. > At > > > > all. I feel responsible. And exasperated. Which in some ways is good > > > because > > > > it means I take her rehabilitation seriously. > > > > > > > > Bottom line - > > > > > > > > This just isn't working out between us. There is what you'd call a > huge > > > > compatibility issue. > > > > > > > > I have found a dog that is way too high energy for what I am currently > > > able > > > > to accommodate. With quite a few more psychological/behavioral issues > > than > > > I > > > > am prepared to address or experienced enough to correct. > > > > > > > > Every day is a constant battle of wills. I'm a stubborn bugger. So is > > she. > > > > My house. My rules. But it's a constant 'Shut up shut up shut up!' > > Scream > > > > your heart out. You will not get your way. Again - before someone > tells > > me > > > > this is cruel...I do NOT cater to bad behavior. I have worked to > correct > > > it. > > > > I have gone in, back to her, calm, assertive, and backed her into bed. > > And > > > > left. That usually puts her into an easy state of mind. At least for a > > > > little while. Than...the howling. > > > > > > > > This increasing tension can't be healthy for either of us. Could I > turn > > > her > > > > into a calm submissive ideal pet? Probably. I absolutely believe that > > she > > > > will be easy to rehabilitate and turn into an ideal canine citizen. I > > just > > > > don't have the experience to do this. And this calm, assertive pack > > leader > > > > is increasingly fed up with the howling. And screaming. And whining. > And > > > > scratching at the back of the door. Could I give in and save myself a > > few > > > > headaches? Yes. Absolutely. Am I going to? No. > > > > > > > > I am pack leader. > > > > > > > > These are my rules - at night, you sleep in the bathroom. When I am > > > working, > > > > you are in the hallway because it is the same as if I were not home. > > When > > > I > > > > am 'home', you can be over by the door in my line of sight. Howling is > > not > > > > answered. Period. I will NOT reinforce bad behavior. Even at the > expense > > > of > > > > pulling out the last bloody hair on my head. > > > > > > > > I am trying. I am trying really, really bloody hard. But as I write > > this, > > > > she's been put away for the evening (I'll get to that routine shortly) > > and > > > > she's screaming bloody murder and it does my head in. Maybe the > evening > > > > Pet-ease will kick in soon. Wishful thinking? > > > > > > > > Tonight I had to go out. This was one of our better moments. I had > > several > > > > meetings and I was gone for eight hours. I took her for a walk before > > hand > > > - > > > > 20 minutes to get rid of some of the excess energy. We did some very > > basic > > > > reward based training when she came back. I gave her a toy. She > settled > > > > down. Then there was about 30 seconds of howling. Than she settled > down > > > > again and was fine. Granted, I'd dosed her with Pet-Ease prior to our > > > walk. > > > > I did not put her away right before I left. I did this about an hour > > prior > > > > so that being put in the hallway was not associated with my leaving. I > > > still > > > > walked back and forth. When I did leave, it was without ceremony. No > > > > goodbye. No see you later. That's just stupid. And it would only make > > > things > > > > worse. > > > > > > > > I came home - she starts howling. I don't react. I don't go to see her > > > I > > > > take care of other things first - turn some lights on, feed the other > > dog, > > > > let the cat in, put my stuff down, use the loo, put on something > > > > comfortable. When she stops, I go over, make her sit, put on her > collar, > > > > grab a flashlight and go for a very brief pack walk - it's dark. I'm > in > > > the > > > > mountains. There are animals here that would happily make either of us > > > > dinner, so a long, exhausting walk isn't an option. I'd have gone for > a > > > > proper long haul if I thought it was safe. As it is, I am now taking > her > > > for > > > > 30-40 minutes in the morning and 30-40 minutes in the evening. 15-20 > in > > > the > > > > afternoon. As I said - high energy dog. She desperately needs the > > > exercise. > > > > And I like walking. Hugely adverse to my usual daily routine. But it's > > > good > > > > for her. So I do it. Happily. Especially if it saves my ears some > > anguish > > > > later. > > > > > > > > We come back inside. I move her to the bathroom. We do some basic > reward > > > > training (routine - see?). And I want her to associate the bathroom > with > > > > good things and a positive, calm mental state. Also, I can hide her > > > > medication and an evening dose (1/2 tablet) of Pet-Ease in a reward. > > While > > > > she is calm, I pick her up - still in the bathroom - and give her some > > > > affection. Than she's put on the floor. I wait. so that putting her > down > > > > isn't associated with leaving. She grabs a toy. I slip out. Within > > seconds > > > > she's howling. She's still howling. It's ear piercing, head splitting. > > > > > > > > This is not a good advertisement for this dog. But hey, I'm sure there > > are > > > > plenty of people out there who would be more than happy to give her > > > exactly > > > > what she wants. I am not one of them. And I'm not entirely convinced > > that > > > I > > > > can outlast her. Or maybe there's someone more experienced out there > who > > > can > > > > do right by her and properly rehabilitate her. > > > > > > > > I just don't have the experience. Nor am I the type of person to give > in > > > to > > > > a dog for my own convenience. So...we've reached an impasse. I might > be > > > able > > > > to outlast her and get her into the proper, happy dog mental state if > I > > > > actually had people to help me. But on my own, she's just way too much > > for > > > > me. > > > > > > > > I'm going to keep reading Cesar. I'm going to keep working on the > > > dominance > > > > thing. And the separation anxiety thing. > > > > > > > > I think affection right before bed time is a BAD idea. This dog does > not > > > do > > > > well with affection. Exercise. Discipline. Yes. Both in quantity. > > > Affection > > > > just seems to exacerbate the situation ten fold. At least affection in > > the > > > > way that people think of affection - the petting, the lap time. Every > > time > > > I > > > > spend lap time or petting time I end up with a worse situation than > when > > I > > > > started. If I can actually get her to a stronger, more consistent > > > > calm-submissive state, than I will slowly reintroduce physical > affection > > > (of > > > > the human variety). Until then...no go. Every time it I pick her up or > > pet > > > > her (not a corrective touch), it sets all of my little bits of > progress > > > back > > > > three steps. > > > > > > > > She was screaming when I started writing this email. She is still > > > screaming. > > > > It was 11:31pm when I started. It's 12:40 right now. > > > > > > > > While some behaviors are getting better. For instance, she's doing > much > > > much > > > > better on a leash. Others are getting worse. Some days she's fine. > Some > > > > days...I get this. Long, long, long, bouts of screaming and howling > and > > > > crying. This has been the worst to date. > > > > > > > > As I've said - I understand that she's been in an arguably traumatic > > > > situation and she probably didn't come from a great home life to begin > > > with. > > > > I understand that she is young. And I realize that we've been together > > > less > > > > than a week. But this only explains the behavior. It does not make it > > > > acceptable. And I do not think that her behavior will change without a > > lot > > > > more work. > > > > > > > > This isn't just an adjustment issue. This is a behavioral problem. And > > > with > > > > a dog this unstable, and this high energy human pity would just make > > > things > > > > worse. There is no pity. Do I enjoy hearing her scream? No. I hate > that > > > > she's so mentally off. I want her to find balance. We are working on > > that. > > > > > > > > > > > Please, please help. I am at my wits end. At this point - lots of > > exercise > > > > and relatively rigid discipline are the only answers I can think of. > And > > > > withholding the 'human' means of affection. No petting. NO lap time. > We > > > can > > > > do dog things like reward training. We will not do human things like > > > petting > > > > until this howling nonsense is nipped in the bud or she's found a home > > > with > > > > someone who likes having a shadow with four legs. > > > > > > > > I kind of feel like a horrible person for calling it quits. But I do > not > > > > have the experience to handle these problems. I am really concerned I > > may > > > > inadvertently make them worse. I only have enough experience not to > give > > > > into them. 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