Yes, I plan on spaying mom and dad within the next month or so ( as soon as they are weaned . And I did take "trouble" to the vet. He was given antibiotic and wormed. I was sent home with worm meds for the other 4 pups. These pups are going to family members. I am not charging them only to make sure they are cared for and vet care. They have been told if they can not care for them or find out they are not "ready" to have a dog to bring it back. ( I am a pet lover I will not get rid of them) I really want to keep them . If I have my way ...I WILL ! Sandy
--- In [email protected], Robin Gordils <GinbarMinPins@...> wrote: > > > Yes, Pet quality are "inferior" in that they do not compare favorably to the > standard for that breed. the standard and reputable breeders are what keeps > the breed looking and acting like the breed. While often the "defect" is not > important it can be. When a pet is bred to a pet without any care about > health or temperament then you get dogs dumped for biting, allergies, > illnesses or in the case of 2 toy breeds for being way oversized and the > owners not being able to physically handle the dog. Poorly bred Chis can > have luxating patellas, collasping tracheas or are nasty.I know truly > reputable breeders who have homes before breeding and ALWAYS take back their > stock not matter the age of the dog. I also know top winning breeders who > bred unhealthy un sound dogs, one had a GV, the top GSD for that year who > threw bad hips so after no reputable show breeder would use him the bred him > to pet quality bitches. My g/f ended up with 2 of his sons both dysplastic. > She also bought 4 other GSDs from not great breeders and had bad hips, bad > elbows, 2 epiletic and 2 spooky dogs. A BIS winning Rott was bred to > everything and threw bad hips so his owner bred him to BYB bitches for the > money. Pups were crippled at 8 weeks old. I have bought my dogs from breeders > who title and OFA, CERF etc their stock. Mine are primarily housepets but my > Rotts, GSDs, and Dobes have been shown in conformation, titled in the obed > ring, earned either TT or TC, titled to SchutzhundB and both Schutzhund and > Personal Protection trained. I prefer S&R tracking so don't try to title to a > SchI or above. Many have gone to nursing homes and alzheimers units. They > have also had good health and good hips. A friend bred their 2 ABs with > untested hips and elbows and both had allergies. Pups were euthanized for > allergies and one parent for bad hips. Axel is out of a multi BIS > International Ch sire and his dam has a like pedigree and both are OFAd etc. > He has a great temperament, earned his CGC at a dog show after a couple of > months of training and lets the little guys push him around. He also did well > in Schutzhund when we were going. A reputable breeder has his dogs in the > house as pets even if in shifts, titles in different venues, does health > checks and always takes back any unwanted dogs. They track every aspect of > their dogs' progeny and pull a dog from the gene pool if it passes on > problems. A top Poodle breeder not only pulled her multi BIS multi titled > Poodle from the ring and notified his pups but took out an ad in the breed > magazine explaining his passing on of a defect. She encourage his pups to be > tested and neutered if they carried the defect gene. It is a problem that > shows up when the dogs are over 5 so a hard thing to know and only recently > had they developed a test for the gene. While my dogs except Axel are all pet > quality with great temperaments and sound patellas they are not breeding > quality so are all neutered. > > I believe that is due more to lack of ability, by the owners, to train them > to be enjoyable pets or health issues they are unable/unwilling to deal with. > There are too many people that just toss them away blaming he pup instead of > themselves for not putting the time and effort to training it. > > > > Robin, the Dobe Axel CGC, TT, German Pin Ranger CGC, TT, Chihuahuas Alice CGC > and Monte and the MinPins HoneyB, Brutus, IMPS foster Jordan > www.minpinrescue.org > > > -----Original Message----- > From: K. Ritchie <kkritchie@...> > To: Chihuahuas <[email protected]> > Sent: Wed, Apr 17, 2013 7:58 pm > Subject: Re: [Chihuahuas] pup coughing > > > > > > > Just my opinion, but I will only have "pet quality" dogs so I am glad there > are some people that still breed in their homes. I hope they plan and have > homes ready for the pups though. Mine are also spayed/neutered because I > don't want pups. Show quality is not always best quality for a pet. You > make it sound like "pet quality" is inferior. > > > I understand and agree that there are too many dogs in shelters etc. I > believe that is due more to lack of ability, by the owners, to train them to > be enjoyable pets or health issues they are unable/unwilling to deal with. > There are too many people that just toss them away blaming he pup instead of > themselves for not putting the time and effort to training it. > > > I have seen several breeders of "show quality" dogs toss out the ones that > don't make the cut or are not showing well. > > > I guess I was just a little offended by the second half of your post. > > > Kay > > > > > > > From: Peggy & The Girls <phrpg5@...> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 12:57 PM > Subject: Re: [Chihuahuas] pup coughing > > > > > > > > > > > It's time for mommy and pups to be checked by a Vet anyway. They are due for > their shots and first worming. Worms can cause coughing. There are many > different types of worms that they can get. Not all can be seen with the > naked eye. Heart problems can also cause coughing, as well as several virus's > that pups can get. Also if water, food, goes in reverse because of some > blockage that can also cause coughing, so can a cold, or pneumonia. It's not > normal for a 6 week old pup to display coughing, so he needs a Vet to > determine what is causing it. Waiting to see if it will get worse, will only > end up causing him to be sicker and cost more at the Vet. > > If the mother was up to date with her shots, then she passed on her immunity > to the pups for the first few weeks, but after that the immunity level > becomes less and less and then the pups can pick up many of the canine > virus's out there. > > Why are you breeding pet quality chis anyway? There are over 17,000 > chihuahuas on Petfinders that need homes, and 80% of them are from owners who > just had to breed their pet instead of spaying and neutering them. I hope you > spay and neuter the parents as well as the pups before you place them in > homes, as you will just be adding to the problem. That figure doesn't even > include the thousands that are euthanized every day at shelters across the > states for lack of space to hold them and lack of homes that want them. You > do realize that within the first year of the pups lives if they each have 5 > pups that's 20 more homes that will be needed. Could you find 20 permanent > homes plus the ones you have? I don't think so. Statistics show that only 3 > out of the 20 will actually stay in a permanent home. The others will be > shuffled around, most ending up in a shelter before it's 3rd birthday and > most of them will be euthanized for lack of a home. This is why there are so > many on petfinders and so many being killed every day. So please spay and > neuter them all. > > Peggy > > > > > > > -------Original Message------- > > > From: chargeit2him > Date: 4/17/2013 11:32:41 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [Chihuahuas] pup coughing > > > > On March 2 we had 5 beautiful chi pups. Mom and babies are doing great...with > one exception . I came downstairs this morning and one pup was coughing. My > husband said he just started a few minutes earlier. (Trouble is his name) > Trouble doesn't do it constantly just every now and then. Hubby said to hold > off and see if it gets worse then we will take him to the vet..None of the > others are doing it. > > Do pups cough if the have worms ? I haven't seen any of them either. How can > you tell if they have worms ? > > Thanks for any info. > > Sandy > ------------------------------------ Yahoo! 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