Thank u so much for the wonderful tips, guys! I really aprecciate it! To: churchillchat@googlegroups.com From: churchillchat@googlegroups.com Subject: [ChurchillChat] Digest for churchillchat@googlegroups.com - 7 updates in 2 topics Date: Thu, 8 May 2014 16:09:59 +0000
Today's topic summary Group: http://groups.google.com/group/churchillchat/topics Churchill related sites to visit in London [6 Updates] Pat Buchanan: There He Goes Again [1 Update] Churchill related sites to visit in London Rafal Heydel-Mankoo <rafa...@hotmail.com> May 07 07:53PM Chartwell and Blenheim Palace / Bladon are essential day trips out of London for any Churchillian. In London, in addition to the Churchill War Rooms, I would suggest the following "Top Ten": 1. The Houses of Parliament -- on Saturdays visitors can take a tour that includes the Chamber of the House of Commons, the Churchill Arch and Westminster Hall (where Churchill lay in state and where Parliament presented him with the Sutherland portrait on his 80th birthday): http://www.parliament.uk/visiting/visiting-and-tours/tours-of-parliament/ Ivor Robert-Jones' famous statue of Churchill is also outside in Parliament Square. 2. The Imperial War Museum -- no direct connection to Churchill, but obviously the Great War and Second World War contents contains Churchill-related content that will be of great interest to Churchillians. Currently closed but reopens on 19th July with groundbreaking new First World War galleries. 3. Westminster Abbey -- laid into the floor between the Tomb of the Unknown Warrior and the Great West Doors is a large marble stone inscribed "Remember Winston Churchill". Churchill, wearing his robes as a Knight of the Garter, also processed here during the Coronation of HM The Queen in 1953. 4. St. Paul's Cathedral -- site of WSC's state funeral. In the crypt of St. Paul's (the largest crypt in Europe) there is the Winston Churchill Memorial Screen (next to the tomb of Churchill's hero, Nelson). 5. The Guildhall -- imposing Oscar Nemon statue of Churchill in the very impressive ancient medieval hall. 6. Bond Street -- "Allies": outdoor statue of Churchill and Roosevelt (alas, anti-smoking vandals have snapped Churchill's cigar) 7. JJ Fox's on St. James's Street -- oldest cigar shop in the world and supplier of Churchill's cigar. This atmospheric and historic shop has a display cabinet of Churchilliana (particularly focused on WSC's relationship with the shop). They even sell small Churchill statues. 8. Churchill Bar at the Churchill Hyatt Regency Hotel. The bar contains a lot of Churchilliana (books, photographs, facsimilies of letters etc.). The bar also has a (slightly dubious) Churchill-inspired cocktail menu, extensive cigar collection and, on the cigar terrace, a statue of Churchill (created by the same sculptor as "Allies" on Bond Street): http://london.churchill.hyatt.com/en/hotel/dining/TheChurchillBar.html 9. Harrow School (suburban London -- easily accessible). Occasional public tours. Next one is in June -- I imagine there may be one in July as well: http://www.harrowschoolenterprises.com/events/school-tours/public-tours/ 10. Havengore (boat that carried Churchill on the Thames following his funeral). Not open to the public but, if it is not out on a trip, may be seen moored in St. Katharine's Dock next to the Tower of London. http://www.havengore.com/contact/ In addition, dedicated Churchill enthusiasts might be interested in seeing some of his various London residences: http://www.winstonchurchill.org/support/the-churchill-centre/publications/finest-hour/issues-109-to-144/no-138/897-churchill-facts-residences-of-winston-and-clementine-churchill I hope you have an enjoyable visit. Kind regards, RHM Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 09:41:53 -0700 From: flaviojag...@hotmail.com To: churchillchat@googlegroups.com Subject: [ChurchillChat] Churchill related sites to visit in London Hi fellow Churchillians I'm a big Churchill admirer from Brasil. I'm gonna be in London from July 14th to the 28th. Besides the obvious Churchill Museum and Cabinet War rooms could you suggest other must-see Churchill related palces to visit? Is it possible to schedule a visit to Chartwel? Thank you for your help Flavio Simoes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "ChurchillChat" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to churchillchat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to churchillchat@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/churchillchat. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. Rafal Heydel-Mankoo <rafa...@hotmail.com> May 07 08:12PM Earlier today an American radio program(me) called the "Tom Woods Show" featured a 30 minute interview with Buchanan about Churchill (based on his book "Churchill, Hitler and the Unnecessary War"). I post this merely for information -- I haven't listened to more than 5 minutes as I'm bored of Buchanan's tiresome anti-Churchill arguments. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4edDlIGAd2g "Dave Turrell" <daturr...@verizon.net> May 07 04:50PM -0400 If you do go to Blenheim be sure to visit Churchill's grave at St. Martin's church in Bladon. It's within about a mile of the palace. Have a great trip. Dave _____ From: churchillchat@googlegroups.com [mailto:churchillchat@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rafal Heydel-Mankoo Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2014 3:53 PM To: churchillchat@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [ChurchillChat] Churchill related sites to visit in London Chartwell and Blenheim Palace / Bladon are essential day trips out of London for any Churchillian. In London, in addition to the Churchill War Rooms, I would suggest the following "Top Ten": 1. The Houses of Parliament -- on Saturdays visitors can take a tour that includes the Chamber of the House of Commons, the Churchill Arch and Westminster Hall (where Churchill lay in state and where Parliament presented him with the Sutherland portrait on his 80th birthday): http://www.parliament.uk/visiting/visiting-and-tours/tours-of-parliament/ Ivor Robert-Jones' famous statue of Churchill is also outside in Parliament Square. 2. The Imperial War Museum -- no direct connection to Churchill, but obviously the Great War and Second World War contents contains Churchill-related content that will be of great interest to Churchillians. Currently closed but reopens on 19th July with groundbreaking new First World War galleries. 3. Westminster Abbey -- laid into the floor between the Tomb of the Unknown Warrior and the Great West Doors is a large marble stone inscribed "Remember Winston Churchill". Churchill, wearing his robes as a Knight of the Garter, also processed here during the Coronation of HM The Queen in 1953. 4. St. Paul's Cathedral -- site of WSC's state funeral. In the crypt of St. Paul's (the largest crypt in Europe) there is the Winston Churchill Memorial Screen (next to the tomb of Churchill's hero, Nelson). 5. The Guildhall -- imposing Oscar Nemon statue of Churchill in the very impressive ancient medieval hall. 6. Bond Street -- "Allies": outdoor statue of Churchill and Roosevelt (alas, anti-smoking vandals have snapped Churchill's cigar) 7. JJ Fox's on St. James's Street -- oldest cigar shop in the world and supplier of Churchill's cigar. This atmospheric and historic shop has a display cabinet of Churchilliana (particularly focused on WSC's relationship with the shop). They even sell small Churchill statues. 8. Churchill Bar at the Churchill Hyatt Regency Hotel. The bar contains a lot of Churchilliana (books, photographs, facsimilies of letters etc.). The bar also has a (slightly dubious) Churchill-inspired cocktail menu, extensive cigar collection and, on the cigar terrace, a statue of Churchill (created by the same sculptor as "Allies" on Bond Street): http://london.churchill.hyatt.com/en/hotel/dining/TheChurchillBar.html 9. Harrow School (suburban London -- easily accessible). Occasional public tours. Next one is in June -- I imagine there may be one in July as well: http://www.harrowschoolenterprises.com/events/school-tours/public-tours/ 10. Havengore (boat that carried Churchill on the Thames following his funeral). Not open to the public but, if it is not out on a trip, may be seen moored in St. Katharine's Dock next to the Tower of London. http://www.havengore.com/contact/ In addition, dedicated Churchill enthusiasts might be interested in seeing some of his various London residences: http://www.winstonchurchill.org/support/the-churchill-centre/publications/fi nest-hour/issues-109-to-144/no-138/897-churchill-facts-residences-of-winston -and-clementine-churchill I hope you have an enjoyable visit. Kind regards, RHM _____ Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 09:41:53 -0700 From: flaviojag...@hotmail.com To: churchillchat@googlegroups.com Subject: [ChurchillChat] Churchill related sites to visit in London Hi fellow Churchillians I'm a big Churchill admirer from Brasil. I'm gonna be in London from July 14th to the 28th. Besides the obvious Churchill Museum and Cabinet War rooms could you suggest other must-see Churchill related palces to visit? Is it possible to schedule a visit to Chartwel? Thank you for your help Flavio Simoes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "ChurchillChat" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to churchillchat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to churchillchat@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/churchillchat. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "ChurchillChat" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to churchillchat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to churchillchat@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/churchillchat. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. Rafal Heydel-Mankoo <rafa...@hotmail.com> May 08 10:42AM Today is the anniversary of VE Day. Here is some wonderful colour footage of Churchill and the Royal Family on the balcony of Buckingham Palace: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AN0u2SoXr7g Last month British Pathe released some 80,000 items from its archives in to the public domain. This includes some footage of Churchill practicing his VE Day speech. I don't think this has ever been seen in public before: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNVu4fMOJLw "Editor, Finest Hour" <tcc-...@sneakemail.com> May 08 05:51AM -0700 See Martin Gilbert, "Churchill's London, Spinning Top of Memories: Of Ungrand Places and Moments in Time," http://bit.ly/1j0pIjJ None of these are in the "top ten." All of them are fascinating, particularly the long, low building near the Serpentine at Hyde Park. Few know what role it played in the Churchill saga. Rafal Heydel-Mankoo <rafa...@hotmail.com> May 08 02:20PM Richard, Thank you for the link to Sir Martin's excellent essay, which I greatly enjoyed. I can provide a couple of happy updates to Sir Martin's piece (which was written in 1985). 1. The historic Magazine Building (the low building near the Serpentine at Hyde Park which served as a gunpowder store from 1805) is now open to the public, having been successfully refurbished by the Royal Parks and Serpentine Gallery. It contains the Serpentine Sackler Gallery and a restaurant. I live a short walk from the building and it has become a popular destination for residents. 2. Sir Martin Gilbert wrote: "I hope you will find time to go and see some of the charming houses in which he spent his youth. The people who live in these houses, the first of which is 48 Charles Street, the second being 29 St. James's Place, are puzzled that they cannot get blue plaques appended to the walls. Unfortunately the blue plaque policy is to select a few and abandon many." I am pleased to report that a plaque was recently affixed to 29 St. James's Place. I first noticed it about 2 months ago. I have taken photographs and I shall be writing a blog post about it in due course (this tiny street has an illustrious history -- other plaques on the street commemorate Chopin and Sir Francis Chichester, to name but two). The plaque is green (City of Westminster) rather than blue (English Heritage). As an aside: Sir Martin refers to the very famous clubland story about Lord Birkenhead's mistaken belief that the National Liberal Club was merely a public convenience. There are at least three versions of this story (and some claim the club to be the Reform). However I believe Sir Martin's version to be the most plausible. The only notable omission from this essay that springs to mind is the Carlton Club (the Tory party club in St. James's of which WSC was a long-standing member -- all Conservative party leaders have been members. As she was a woman, Mrs. Thatcher received honorary membership in 1975). RHM Date: Thu, 8 May 2014 05:51:13 -0700 From: tcc-...@sneakemail.com To: churchillchat@googlegroups.com Subject: [ChurchillChat] Re: Churchill related sites to visit in London See Martin Gilbert, "Churchill's London, Spinning Top of Memories: Of Ungrand Places and Moments in Time," http://bit.ly/1j0pIjJ None of these are in the "top ten." All of them are fascinating, particularly the long, low building near the Serpentine at Hyde Park. Few know what role it played in the Churchill saga. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "ChurchillChat" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to churchillchat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to churchillchat@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/churchillchat. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. Pat Buchanan: There He Goes Again "Editor, Finest Hour" <tcc-...@sneakemail.com> May 08 06:04AM -0700 Rafal Heydel-Mankoo wrote: Earlier today an American radio program(me) called the "Tom Woods Show" featured a 30 minute interview with Buchanan about Churchill (based on his book, *Churchill, Hitler and the Unnecessary War*). I post this merely for information -- I haven't listened to more than five minutes as I'm bored of Buchanan's tiresome anti-Churchill arguments. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4edDlIGAd2g Rafe: Good grief, is Pat still flogging that dead horse? For your amusement, a query from a reader just last week. ========= >From Joseph Clemmow (UK): I have a quick question regarding the criticisms made of both Churchill and British participation in the Second World War by the American Pat Buchanan and of his British followers Peter Hitchens. I had a online quarrel with Mr Hitchens over his endorsing of Pat Buchanan's book Churchill, Hitler and the Unnecessary War. He wrote two very mediocre articles regarding it ========= >From Editor, *Finest Hour*: I like Pat Buchanan. Churchill said, "I like a man who smiles when he fights." I helped him research some points for his book. (We are equal opportunity researchers.) He sent me a signed copy, and I sent him one of mine. It wasn't my fault (as I told him) that he chose to put the wrong spin on everything and quote Churchill out of context! Our response to Pat is in the articles on pages 6 and 13-21 in *Finest Hour *139. (This issue also took care of Nicholas Baker's wonderful melodrama, *Human Smoke* .) You can download a pdf at: http://www.winstonchurchill.org/images/finesthour/vol.01%20no.139.pdf Peter Hitchens used to be known as "the good Hitchens." He is the brother of the late Christopher, but comes at things from a different angle. There are three references to Peter on our website: enter "peter hitchens" in the search box. We did take on his brother, when he wrote some silly stuff in *The Atlantic: *http://bit.ly/RQxY8G It was like shooting fish in a barrel. One can't get too excited about this sort of thing. There is a grain of truth to it, of course, since the war didn't end in the brave new world we thought it would. But these iconoclasts operate in hindsight--and they are paid well to keep the pot bubbling. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "ChurchillChat" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to churchillchat+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to churchillchat@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/churchillchat. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "ChurchillChat" group. 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