Dear All,
As a matter of (inconclusive) interest, Elizabeth Nel (née Layton) writes in
her memoirs that Churchill simply said "Gimme Klop" (p. 14 of the 2007
reprint).
With all best wishes for the festive season,
A. Capet
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From: 'Dave Turrell' via ChurchillChat
Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2019 1:49 AM
To: churchillchat@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [ChurchillChat] Clop / Klop / Kloppe
I suspect we may be overthinking this. Whether 'Klip' or 'Clop', I doubt
Churchill was thinking of the sound of horses' hooves. He was probably
thinking of the sound a hole punch makes.
Given that what we are dealing with is an idiosyncratic onomatopoeic
representation of an inanimate object, unless the record shows Churchill
spelling it one way or the other, then I would respectfully suggest that
there is no 'correct' spelling. I would, however, not personally go for
'Kloppe', as it might lead to in insufficiently klipped pronunciation.
Merry Christmas to one and all!
Dave
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On Behalf Of David Riddle
Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2019 5:36 AM
To: churchillchat@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [ChurchillChat] Clop / Klop / Kloppe
I don’t think so!
As a an ex-Chartwell volunteer and ‘story’ researcher, we always spelt it
‘klop’. There are many references to Churchill and klop on Google, whereas
none relating to ‘clop’. Neither word has a dictionary definition in this
context, but the definition of ‘clop’ gives a hint to Churchill’s usage of
the word, being the noise made by a horse’s hoof, and that this might be
considered similar to the noise made by a hole punch.
Just IMHO.
David Riddle
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On 23 Dec 2019, at 23:14, Cita Stelzer <c...@irwinstelzer.com> wrote:
Are we agreed then that it is clop and not klop?
Cita Stelzer
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From: 'Antoine Capet' via ChurchillChat
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Sent: Monday, December 23, 2019 2:21 PM
To: churchillchat@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [ChurchillChat] Clop / Klop / Kloppe
RE: [ChurchillChat] Re: Mysterious young man in _Darkest Hour_
filmDear Dave,
Many thanks for this correct identification of the young man in the
film
You mention "Clop" : if you have Elizabeth Nel (née Layton)'s memoirs,
there is a marvellous anecdote about it :
The confusion between the contraption and Kloppe's "fifteen volumes" (p.
14 of the 2007 reprint).
Best wishes,
A.C.
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From: 'Dave Turrell' via ChurchillChat
Sent: Monday, December 23, 2019 7:53 PM
To: churchillchat@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [ChurchillChat] Re: Mysterious young man in _Darkest
Hour_ film
Dear Antoine,
You can find the script for the film at
https://www.scriptslug.com/assets/uploads/scripts/darkest-hour-2017.pd
f
A quick search seems to indicate that the character in question is
John Evans - Churchill's private secretary. (Not sure if that's a 'real'
character - I bet Richard knows :-). Played by Joe Armstrong.
the TRAY passes by - WINSTON’s PRIVATE SECRETARY, JOHN EVANS (35), as
he schools the NEW YOUNG SECRETARY, ELIZABETH LAYTON. Evans, an
immaculately-groomed rake, snobbishly thinks himself infinitely
superior to the Elizabeth Laytons of the world.
JOHN EVANS(to ELIZABETH)...and if he stretches out his hand and says,
“Gimme”, you need to anticipate what he wants - black pen, red pen,
paper, or “Clop”, that’s his hole punch.
Best,
Dave
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From: 'Antoine Capet' via ChurchillChat
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Sent: Monday, December 23, 2019 5:59 AM
To: churchillchat@googlegroups.com
Subject: [ChurchillChat] Re: Mysterious young man in _Darkest Hour_
film
Dear All,
I am preparing an article on _Darkest Hour_ for a French publication
and I am puzzled by a character in the film.
There is a young man who is often seen near Churchill, and he
initially shows Miss Layton round the 'War Rooms', but he is not named
– I thought he was Jock Colville. But then, there is no ‘Jock Colville’ in
the cast.
On the other hand, there is a ‘Tom Leonard’ in the cast whose name
does not suggest anything to me. ‘Tom Leonard’ is played by Eric
MacLennan – but his photographs on Google do not look like the young
man I mistook for Jock Colville.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4555426/fullcredits
All very puzzling! I wonder who that young man is supposed to be!
Enlightenment most welcome.
With best wishes to all,
Antoine CAPET, FRHistS
Professor emeritus of British Studies
University of Rouen
76821 Mont-Saint-Aignan
France
antoine.ca...@univ-rouen.fr
'Britain since 1914' Section Editor
Royal Historical Society Bibliography
Reviews Editor of CERCLES
http://www.cercles.com/review/reviews.html
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