according to loose change the engine part that was at the scene was too small for that type of plane. even if it was/wasnt, the plane still could have been "switched out" in the drill. and even if that was/wasnt it still begs the large "question" of false flag terror, for which the evidence is overwhelming.
----- Original Message ----- From: Arlene Johnson To: cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 5:08 AM Subject: Re: [cia-drugs] Re: loftus on wtprn Then, you will never be on board, Muckblit, because there were no engines or wings at the Pentagon that morning. Our government, moreover, would love to get me back to the United States. It tried as hard as it could to do that in 2005 when I had to leave where I live now again because it blocked an Email from arriving at two of my friend's Email Inboxes so that they would not be able to help me financially as I needed. But God helped me using a 19-year-old Christian girl who was a stranger to me. See http://www.truedemocracy.net/td-27/01.html and then God helped me again when someone accused me of lying about her, because God knew that I needed to see her again, because He knew that someone stole my purse in London which caused me to lose all her contact information. If you begin to read starting with the 4th edition, you will see what the truth is especially if you read beginning with the FIRST edition, because the first editions of my work set up what would happen on September 11, 2001. Peace, Arlene Johnson Publisher/Author http://www.truedemocracy.net To access my editions, click on the icon that says Magazine. -----Original Message----- From: mark urban Sent: Sep 21, 2007 6:01 AM To: cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com Subject: [cia-drugs] Re: loftus on wtprn As soon as you explain what happened to the engines and wings, Im on board.-- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, "muckblit" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Four inches of stone, two layers of brick, for the front wall. Like paper. > > Around the windows there was a light metal frame designed to hold the > windows if fragments from a truck bomb flew against the wall. Again, > nothing, no solid structure. > > The second floor slab represented the first solid structure. An off > duty pilot living in an apartment nearby saw the cockpit of the silver > AA Boeing 757 peel upward as half of the fuselage went above and half > below the floor slab. Then the upward folded part got pulled into the > hole as the rest of the fuselage went into mostly open area, > encountering a few concrete columns once inside the building. > > Some of the holes seen in photos were made by heavy equipment from the > back side, for rescue workers. You can see a line and instructions > spray-painted on the wall around the hole, marking where to run a > bulldozer through the wall. > > Smokescreeners never get specific about what structure was so strong > that the plane went through at the Pentagon. I have documented the > above construction details here in the past. Four inch stone slab, two > layers of brick, that's nothing. Metal frame around the edge of > windows, that's nothing. Slide and carom between scattered concrete > pillaras once inside, that's nothing. The second floor slab was the > only solid structure and it just sliced the fuselage, but the mass of > the plane kept on going. Nothing amazing happened at the Pentagon, > unlike New York, where a number of amazing things did happen(steel > melting, buildings all falling straight down with no time for > resistance to collapse--as if demolished). > > -Bob > > --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, "mark urban" <mcurb@> wrote: > > > > Kris, > > > > What I was saying is that Loftus appears to be saying that the plane > > in its regular configuration behaved like a shaped charge when it hit > > the pentagon. He is using the concept of a plasma stream to explain > > how the relatively soft nosed commercial jet could punch through so > > many interior walls. > > > > I do not think it works as an explanation. > > > > > > --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, RoadsEnd <roadsend@> wrote: > > > > > > No, I do not think there was some special charge on plane or > > otherwise. > > > > > > Peace, > > > K > > > > > > On Sep 17, 2007, at 9:54 PM, mark urban wrote: > > > > > > > The concept of a shaped charge is what is being proffered. An > > > > inverted cone of metal jacketed high explosive that hits armor > > > > creates a molten stream of metal that burns through the armor > > plate. > > > > If Loftus wants to say a commercial jet hitting a building behaves > > > > like an RPG7 hitting a humvee, then I would think that we are now > > > > seeing the next phase in the 911 cover up. I lump this right in > > there > > > > with Mike Ruppert telling us to forget about 911. geez! > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, RoadsEnd <roadsend@> wrote: > > > >> > > > >> Basically, my understanding of what Loftus is talking about is > > > > what > > > >> happens when a large object moving at a high rate of speed hits > > an > > > >> immovable object creating high temperatures and thusly > > > >> disintegration. What form this disintegration took and if this > > > >> activity created any special effect I do not know. > > > >> > > > >> Peace, > > > >> K > > > >> > > > >> On Sep 17, 2007, at 2:09 PM, mark urban wrote: > > > >> > > > >>> It is amazing how the laws of physics just went all to hell on > > > > 911. > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> --- In cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com, "Vigilius Haufniensis" > > > >>> <thehatefulnerd@> wrote: > > > >>>> > > > >>>> john loftus is on wtprn right now claiming that "the pentagon > > > >>> plane" turned into plasmic matter. as i understand it, plasmic > > > >>> matter is the fourth phase of matter. solid, liquid, gas, > > plasma. > > > >>> like in the sun. the sun is "plasmic matter." he's saying that > > > > the > > > >>> plane "vaporized into plasma" and that's why the damage to the > > > >>> pentagon went so deep, because of the "focused energy." > > > >>>> the plane "vaporized into plasma" because that one wall had > > been > > > >>> armored. > > > >>>> he's saying that this is not inconsistent with finding human > > > >>> remains. > > > >>>> of course, none of this addresses the question as to whether > > the > > > >>> plane was hijacked, radio controlled, switched out with a drill, > > > >>> etc. could a missile be "vaporized into plasma?" according to > > > >>> loftus, the military HAS weapons that do precisely this. he was > > > >>> stating this as proof that the "plasmic effect" could be > > possible. > > > >>> heh. > > > >>>> to me, its all just begging the question. for instance, why > > did > > > >>> the plane fly over the pentagon, do a 180, come all the way back > > > >>> around, and hit THAT side? and what about the alleged > > explosions > > > >>> before the pentagon strike? > > > >>>> now theyre talking about security cams. > > > >>>> www.wtprn.com > > > >>>> 9:15 pm central time > > > >>>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> Complete archives at http://www.sitbot.net/ > > > >>> > > > >>> Please let us stay on topic and be civil. > > > >>> > > > >>> OM > > > >>> > > > >>> Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Complete archives at http://www.sitbot.net/ > > > > > > > > Please let us stay on topic and be civil. > > > > > > > > OM > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.27/1020 - Release Date: 9/20/2007 12:07 PM
