Logistics came out on another list. Don't know how true. They would not be able to get withing 750m. Exact weapons, (as far as I know), not disclosed. 1000m conceivable but even top sniper would have trouble. So, in that respect, not a threat. Not that those caught could not have been set up to 'give a message' etc. Just that real assassination attempt would be near impossible for those. Feds would need prove 'not just talk' in court. m
> Talk about not having what it takes to get the job done?! How 'bout > those highly trained federal agents. What a joke! > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Kris Millegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Cia-drugs Cia-drugs <Cia-drugs@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 7:28:06 AM > Subject: [cia-drugs] Fwd: When Is an Assassination Plot NOT a Plot? When > the Target Is a Black Democrat? > > > > > > > Begin forwarded message: > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] com > Date: August 26, 2008 11:12:50 PM PDT > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] com > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] com, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL > PROTECTED] org > Subject: When Is an Assassination Plot NOT a Plot? When the Target Is a > Black Democrat? > > When is a plot not a plot? > A group of armed "meth heads" reportedly discussed shooting Barack Obama, > but the feds opted for lesser charges. > By Mike Madden > http://www.salon. com/news/ feature/2008/ 08/27/plot/ > Aug. 27, 2008 | DENVER -- Late Saturday night, the cops in Aurora, Colo., > stopped a blue Dodge truck that was swerving all over the road. The > driver, a 28-year-old "trance" D.J. named Tharin Gartrell, had a suspended > license, a criminal record and four grams of methamphetamine in his > pocket. In his trunk, he had two rifles (one stolen), a few boxes of ammo, > a bulletproof vest and a portable meth lab. By the next day, based on what > Gartrell told them, the cops had called in the feds, and authorities had > arrested his cousin, a convicted burglar named Shawn Adolf, and a friend, > Nathan Johnson, and turned up more drugs. And in Adolf's case, a > background check turned up some outstanding warrants, one with a $1 > million bail set. Which might explain why Adolf jumped out the window of > his hotel room in Glendale, Colo., when the Secret Service showed up to > arrest him on Sunday. From the sixth floor. > Shawn Robert Adolf, left, Tharin Gartrell and Nathan Johnson > That might have been the end of the episode, and it might just have been > unusually dramatic fodder for the local paper's crime blotter, except it > turned out Gartrell, Johnson and Adolf had a problem with Barack Obama. > Namely, they objected to the Democratic presidential nominee's being > black, though court documents say they expressed that fact in less > delicate terms. And a woman who'd been hanging out in their hotel to > "chill and do drugs," according to court papers, told federal agents the > three had gathered on the outskirts of Denver in order to try to do > something about it. Specifically, to shoot him with the rifles and ammo > they'd brought along. > Nathan Johnson confirmed the plotin an interview with a local Denver > television reporter from inside the Denver jail. "So your friends were > saying threatening things about Obama?" the reporter asked. > <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" > href="http://bs.serving-sys.com/BurstingPipe/BannerRedirect.asp?FlightID=572249&Page=&PluID=0&Pos=8067";><font > size="2"></font></a> > "Yeah," Nathan Johnson replied. > "It sounded like they didn't want him to be president?" continued the > reporter. > "Well, no," Johnson said. > "He don't belong in political office.. Blacks don't belong in political > office. He ought to be shot." > <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" > href="http://judo.salon.com/RealMedia/ads/click_nx.cgi/www.salonmagazine.com/news/content/[EMAIL > PROTECTED]"><font > size="2"></font></a> > By Tuesday, officials had decided the three men didn't have the capacity > to act on their racist impulses, no matter how heavily armed they were. > But the whole episode was a strange, and alarming, reminder of why Obama > has had Secret Service protection since the spring of 2007 -- there are a > lot of people out there who hate the idea of a black president, and are > crazy enough to say they'll do something about it. The arrests raised the > frightening specter of yet another of America's charismatic young leaders > being gunned down by a lunatic. Obama aides declined to comment, citing a > strict policy of not discussing security. > The arrests seemed more threatening when they first became public. Serious > brass was pulled in; Attorney General Michael Mukasey was briefed. But > Tuesday, after an investigation involving three different federal > agencies, Colorado's U.S. attorney, Troy Eid, announced that authorities > had decided Adolf, Johnson and Gartrell were basically not as dangerous as > they looked. The feds didn't plan to charge any of the three men with > threatening a presidential candidate, a federal felony that comes with a > possible five-year prison term. Instead, Eid charged Adolf (who is > variously referred to as Adolph and Adolf in federal documents) and > Johnson with violating federal bans on felons owning weapons, and Gartrell > with drug possession. (Admittedly, the fact that the three thought Obama > was staying in the exurban hotel in which they had rented a room made it > seem like they hadn't planned very carefully.) > So the case, instead, became basically an object of curiosity for a press > corps hungry for unscripted news. One helpful offshoot from the brief > saga: It helped show exactly what it takes to get charged with an > assassination plot. Evidently, you need to have some degree of competence > and/or sobriety. "The reported threats, hateful and bigoted though they > were, involved a group of 'meth heads,' methamphetamine users, all of whom > were impaired at the time, and cannot be independently corroborated, " Eid > told reporters. "The law recognizes a difference between a 'true' threat > -- one that might actually be carried out -- and the reported racist > rantings of illegal drug users." That was, apparently, what differentiated > the case from earlier ones, including an incident where Eid charged a > Colorado prisonerwith sending an anthrax hoax to John McCain's office near > Denver, and a Florida case where a would-be bail bondsman threatened to > shootObama. > http://letters. salon.com/ news/feature/ 2008/08/27/ plot/view/ ?show=all > Future statement for the history books: > "...officials had decided the three men didn't have the capacity to act on > their racist impulses, no matter how heavily armed they were." > That'll turn up in some future Commission report. > By the waydidn't the DoJ prosecute a bunch of wackos in Fla on terrorism > charges for basically the same thing? A lot of talk, but even the DoJ > admitted they didn't have what it took to pull it off? > Interesting. > Potential Perp: Ima shoot that black sumbitch for tryin to be prezdint. > > FBI Agent: Ah, you'll never pull it off -- run along you scallywag! > > What kind of shit is this? > > -- FilthyHarry > Tuesday, August 26, 2008 08:12 PM > > ------------ ----- > > FBI Says 7 Terror Suspects Were Mostly Talk > By Richard B. Schmitt and Carol J. Williams > Los Angeles Times, June 24, 2006 page A-5 > http://articles. latimes.com/ 2006/jun/ 24/nation/ na-terror24 > In a four-count indictment unsealed Friday, federal officials charged > seven men caught in a sting operation here with conspiring to support Al > Qaeda and levy war against the government of the United States. > Authorities arrested the suspects whom Atty. Gen. Alberto R. Gonzales > characterized as homegrown terrorists after searching a warehouse in > the impoverished Liberty City area north of downtown Thursday. They said > the men, ages 22 to 32, never presented any real danger. > The indictment suggested they never came in contact with anyone from Osama > bin Ladens terrorist network.. The only materials they received during > the seven months they were monitored by an undercover informant appear to > have been six pairs of boots and use of a digital video camera. > You want to go and disrupt cells like this before they acquire the means > to accomplish their goals, U.S. Attorney R. Alexander Acosta said at the > federal courthouse in Miami, flanked by two dozen federal, state, county > and local officials involved in disrupting the alleged plot. > The men were charged with conspiring to violate a sweeping anti-terrorism > measure that makes it a crime to provide material support for terrorism, > punishable by up to 15 years in prison. That law has been used > successfully against scores of defendants since the Sept. 11 attacks. > But this case was developed exclusively through information provided by > the undercover operative, a circumstance that could allow defense lawyers > to argue entrapment. > Some of the men had minor criminal records. One is a Haitian citizen in > the United States illegally, five are American citizens, and one had a > residence permit. None was known to be an adherent of a militant Islamic > faction, nor even of the Muslim faith. Relatives described some as > religious, but drawn together to study the Bible, not the Koran. > With little more than age, Caribbean heritage and poverty in common, the > suspects were said by FBI Deputy Director John S. Pistole to be more > aspirational than operational. > No weapons were found in the raid of their reported meeting place, Acosta > said. He declined to say what, if anything, was seized. > On Friday, law enforcement agents wearing flak jackets and carrying > automatic rifles stood guard over the windowless building in a shabby lot. > The Miami CBS affiliate, WFOR-TV, filmed the warehouse interior through a > hole in a corrugated aluminum shutter, showing a brown sofa and dining > set. It appeared to be the same room shown in photos that Acostas office > released from a surveillance tape of the suspects, time-stamped shortly > after 10 p.m. March 16 one of a dozen meetings mentioned in the > indictment. > The seven charged are Narseal Batiste, Patrick Abraham, Stanley Grant > Phanor, Naudimar Herrera, Burson Augustin and Rotschild Augustine of Miami > and Lyglenson Lemorin of Atlanta. > Acosta indicated that further arrests were not expected. Im confident we > have identified every individual who had the intent of posing a threat to > the United States, he said. > Five of the Miami suspects it was unclear why Phanor was not among them > appeared Friday at a brief hearing to determine whether they needed a > public defender. Lemorin was arraigned in Atlanta. Relatives of Lemorin > told reporters he had gone to Miami to find work but had returned months > ago after discovering the men he had befriended were involved in > witchcraft.. Several of the suspects are of Haitian origin, a culture > with voodoo influences. > According to the 11-page indictment, Batiste recruited the others and, > around November, expressed interest to the informant in assisting Al > Qaeda. The informant allegedly met with Batiste on Dec. 16 and was given a > list of materials needed in order to wage jihad including boots, > uniforms, machine guns, radios and vehicles. > Six days later the two reportedly met again, and Batiste allegedly > outlined his mission to wage war against the U.S. government and to > destroy the Sears Tower in Chicago and public buildings in Miami. > He gave the informant a list with his and five of the other mens shoe > sizes, and soon received the military boots. Batiste repeatedly discussed > five fellow soldiers with the informant, the indictment said. The only > mention of Phanor in court papers was as a driver for the informant to a > meeting in the Florida Keys. Batiste later asked for binoculars, > bulletproof vests, firearms and $50,000 in cash, according to the > indictment. > During meetings this year, Batiste said he wanted to wage war against the > United States to kill all the devils we can in a mission that would be > just as good or greater than 9/11, the indictment says. > Federal officials in Washington declined to say how the idea of working > with Al Qaeda came to the defendants, or whether it might have been > planted by the governments informant. The indictment makes clear that the > informant told authorities of Batistes alleged interest in joining Al > Qaeda before going undercover for the government. > On Friday, Justice Department officials said the case was an example of > the governments success at rooting out plots before they came to > fruition. > This case clearly demonstrates our commitment to preventing terrorism > through energetic law enforcement efforts aimed at detecting and thwarting > terrorist acts, Gonzales said at a news conference. > He also said,These men were unable to advance their deadly plot beyond > the initial planning phase. > But, he said, they had taken enough steps to justify criminal charges > including seeking out uniforms and weapons, conducting reconnaissance of > Miami targets, and swearing an oath of allegiance to Al Qaeda. > He said that under the anti-terrorism law, it did not matter that the Al > Qaeda representative they were dealing with was an operative with the > South Florida Joint Terrorism Task Force. > Deputy Atty. Gen. Paul J. McNulty said in a separate briefing, We really > dont have the option of waiting for the plotters and conspirators to take > the next step. > The Miami case was the latest in which the Justice Department used > undercover operatives. > Federal prosecutors recently won a jury verdict in a terrorism case in > Lodi, Calif., based largely on the testimony of an FBI informant who > encouraged one of the suspects to attend a terrorist training camp. > A government informant also is involved in a case in Toledo, Ohio, in > which three men are accused of conspiring to aid the insurgency in Iraq. > The informant reportedly went so far as to meet one defendant in Jordan > when the suspect allegedly was seeking to enter Iraq to wage jihad. > Some legal observers said the Miami indictment appeared to be based on > little evidence, raising questions about where the Justice Department was > drawing the line between criminal activity and unsavory thoughts and > words. > It sounds to me like this is loose talk, and yet the government makes it > sound like a detailed plan, said Stephen Hartman, a criminal defense > lawyer in Ohio who is representing a defendant in the Toledo case. It > raises some real concerns: What does it take to get the FBI on your back > on something like this? > > > Federal judge sets 2009 date for THIRD TRIAL > in Sears Tower terror case > > Mike Rosen-Molina at 3:02 PM ET > > http://jurist. law.pitt. edu/paperchase/ 2008/04/federal- judge-sets- > 2009-date- for-third. php[JURIST] A federal judge Wednesday set January 6, > 2009 for the third terrorism prosecution of six men charged with > conspiring to bomb the Sears Tower in Chicago and the FBI headquarters in > Miami after two previous prosecutions ended in mistrials. > > Earlier this month, US District Judge Joan A. Lenard declared the second > mistrial after the jury was unable to reach a verdict after 13 days of > deliberations. > > In December 2007, Lenard declared an initial mistrial when the jury was > deadlocked after nine days of deliberations. A seventh man was acquitted > in that proceeding. > > The seven were indicted in 2006 on charges of conspiring to provide > material support to al Qaeda; conspiring to provide material support, > training, and resources to terrorists; conspiring to maliciously damage > and destroy by means of an explosive; and conspiring to levy war against > the government of the United States. The indictment alleged that > ringleader Narseal Batiste recruited the six other initial defendants to > "organize and train for a mission to wage war against the United States > government," and that they pledged an oath to al Qaeda in an attempt to > secure financial and logistical backing. > > Lawyers for some of the men have said that their clients were entrapped by > an FBI informant posing as an al Qaeda operative. > > > > > ________________________________ > It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. > = > > >
