> -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Peter Rathlev > Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 5:57 AM > To: cisco-nsp > Subject: Re: [c-nsp] Fake Cisco Equipment News Articles - very > interesting > > > This thread probably covers an interesting subject, but in my eyes it's > too political to be on topic. Am I wrong to think that the discussion > should move to somewhere else? >
I don't think discussion of how the stuff gets into the supply chain is too political. As for the issue with the Chinese, yes that is political. Too political? Well, look at it this way. Cisco has spent a LOT of verbage and money planting articles against counterfeiters, as well as a lot of time and verbage in their own Cisco sales literature talking about the evils of counterfeiters. Their PRIMARY line is that counterfeiters are bad because they turn out inferior product. It is NOT that counterfeiters are bad because they lose Cisco money. In short, Cisco is tossing this issue into the technical realm. If Cisco wants us techs to believe that counterfit product is inferior, then we are not going to believe that unless they EXPLAIN why. And I do NOT mean the type of baloney explanation that would be appropriate for a CEO that couldn't tell the difference between a packet and a pocket. I would like to know this: How in the HELL is this stuff getting into distribution? The ONLY explanation to me that makes ANY sense at all is that it's being injected into distribution AT THE SOURCE, IN CHINA. We KNOW that the non-counterfeit stuff is being manufactured in China, I mean I see that the country of origin on the parts is China, don't you guys see the same? Well, we pretty damn well guess that the counterfeit stuff is ALSO being manufactured in China. So it seems that the simplest explanation is that the source is being tampered with. Why would the people in China bend over backwards to keep the non-counterfeit stuff and the counterfeit stuff separated in the supply chain until the shipments reached the US, and THEN inject the counterfeit stuff into the supply chain? It seems senseless. It makes a lot more sense that it would be injected at the source. And if it is being injected at the source, where is it being made, and by whom? Is it being made in the same factories that make the non-counterfeit stuff? Using the same machinery, same dies, same tools, same people? If so, then why would it be inferior? So, yes, I do believe that as long as Cisco is claiming that counterfeit stuff is bad because it is inferior, then Cisco has an obligation to back that kind of statement up, and answer these questions, as well as answer the question of why Cisco is outsourcing manufacturing of a $30K device to China, when there's fabs in the US that could make it? And, I cannot see how Cisco can answer this WITHOUT making some answers that YOU would regard as "political" There's Cisco employees that monitor this list. Perhaps they can let their superviors know that they have some explaining to do. People post on this list every day of problems they are having with Cisco equipment, then proceed to lambast various Cisco IOS revisions for breaking things. Well, how do I know that when someone reports X.Y.Z version of IOS is bad because it's making my router reboot all the time, that their router's not rebooting all the time because it's counterfeit? I don't. So, am I going to then base my decisions on whether to deploy X.Y.Z based on bad data? Are you? Are you happy doing this? If not, then shut up about the so-called "political counterfeiting" discussion. This is most definitely on topic. Ted _______________________________________________ cisco-nsp mailing list [email protected] https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/
