On Sunday 17 August 2008 05:05:30 Gert Doering wrote: > From the comments seen on this list, I don't think that any sort of L2VPN > on 7500s is a good idea.
> 7500 is pretty much a dead and unsupported platform these days. Good afternoon, list and Gert. I have read this list for some time now, and I am very grateful for much useful and constructive advice that I have seen that is relevant to what I am doing. However, I must rant just a bit, so please indulge me for a moment. And I fully realize many of you won't care about what I'm going to talk about below, and that's ok. Not all folk using older Cisco gear for core routing are financially able to do forklift upgrades. Some people, in this day of shrinking IT budgets and lowering bandwidth costs/margins (at least to NSP's; the enterprise user is seeing the opposite problem; for example, my OC3's base tariff went UP $1,000 per month thanks to tariff changes by the NECA), simply don't have the budget to write off their investment in older gear and drop in a newer platform. Although, PARI WILL accept your donation of older gear after you've done a forklift upgrade! There are non-profits (and for-profits that are turning into non-profits involuntarily) out there who would like to hear something a little more constructive than 'your platform is EoS; time to upgrade'. If I personally ask 'hey, anybody out there ever done L2TPv3 on a 7500/12012 pair that's serving an APS protected OC3 to a pair of 7401ASR's serving the other end of the APS protected OC3, and what have you found?' I don't want to hear 'you need to get a new whizbang 20000 to do that; all four of your routers are too old'. I'd like to hear what people have experienced; and, Gert, your experiences in particular have been very enlightening to me. I (and other enterprise usera and NSP's in my boat; I use an NSP who is a non-profit, for instance) am well aware that I should have something more modern; I cannot afford it, especially now that a big hunk of my equipment budget just went away thanks to the NECA tariff increase. And while I know that there is a contingent out there with the attitude that if someone can't afford rolling forklift upgrades every few years that they shouldn't be in business, I have no need for their opinion on that matter. -- Lamar Owen Chief Information Officer Pisgah Astronomical Research Institute 1 PARI Drive Rosman, NC 28772 http://www.pari.edu _______________________________________________ cisco-nsp mailing list cisco-nsp@puck.nether.net https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-nsp archive at http://puck.nether.net/pipermail/cisco-nsp/