Sure I can fire this up

  1.  part_ , like part_local, part_ld, part_ld_privacy , etc.
  2.  FQDN, but, make sure your DNS/NTP/etc works with resiliency.
  3.  Depends on if you’re distributed, using hardware conf, transcoder cause 
you have some people on some sort of twizzler based connection using g729, etc
  4.  Yes, unless you have something on the other side that can’t handle these 
requests coming from the whole group, or again a distributed system.
  5.  SIP. MGCP is nice in a set it and forget it way, but if you want to use 
the gateway to do anything else like custom intercepts, redirection, 
hairpinning, it won’t help you. There are some features that don’t work when 
you go to SIP but whatever.
  6.  Why would you give anything an upper case hostname

From: cisco-voip <cisco-voip-boun...@puck.nether.net> On Behalf Of James B
Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2020 2:28 PM
To: Anthony Holloway <avholloway+cisco-v...@gmail.com>; Matthew Loraditch 
<mloradi...@heliontechnologies.com>
Cc: cisco-voip@puck.nether.net
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Migration from CUCM/UCXN/UCCX 8.5 to 12.5

I was thinking of the community configuration approach Anthony suggested and 
was thinking of the debates we’d have if we did that:


  1.  Do you use “_PT”, “PT_”, or just the site name? Same for “CSS”, “LOC”, 
and the ever-debated “RGN” or “REG”?.
  2.  FQDN or IP addresses?
  3.  Do all the media resources go into a single MRG or not?
  4.  Do we click “Run on all Nodes” for route lists and trunks or not?
  5.  MGCP, SIP, or H323 (if using PRIs)?
  6.  Can UCCX have upper-case hostnames or not?

The debates would take us so long, version 14.0 would be out, and then we’d 
have to debate about whether a “.0” versoin is stable or not or should we wait 
for “.5”? Still, could be fun!



From: Anthony Holloway<mailto:avholloway+cisco-v...@gmail.com>
Sent: 28 May 2020 19:15
To: Matthew Loraditch<mailto:mloradi...@heliontechnologies.com>
Cc: cisco-voip@puck.nether.net<mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net>
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Migration from CUCM/UCXN/UCCX 8.5 to 12.5

Keep in mind that PCD network migrations, while awesome for CUCM, do not work 
for other products.

Typically with a project like this, you'll likely have a different approach for 
each app, and not a one size fits all solution.

With the app upgrades, you will also have to change OVA sizes (or want to in 
some cases), and at that point, it might be better to install fresh, and use 
tools like COBRAS, BAT, AXL, ADMIN API, stare & compare, etc. to get data 
exported/imported from old to new.

Or like Kent said, tell yourself it's a toshiba system, and treat it like a 
greenfield.

On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 11:26 AM Matthew Loraditch 
<mloradi...@heliontechnologies.com<mailto:mloradi...@heliontechnologies.com>> 
wrote:
Here’s a fun one. We have taken over support of these ancient servers hosted on 
Esxi 4.1 on UCS-C200-M2s!

Exact Versions are:
8.5 SU2 for CUCM/UCXN
8.5 FCS for UCCX

Each  is a pair of servers.

Have new M5s and flex licensing… need to get to 12.5..  8.5 docs are dead for 
CUCM/UCXN and 8 and 9 docs are dead for UCCX. ISOs I may need are not available 
publicly.

Also fun wrinkle the new host are across the WAN and for many logistical 
reasons are staying there. The migration to the new hosts will have to be via 
DRS or maybe PCD somehow? Not sure if the bandwidth available to get data 
across will be fast enough to finish in the allotted time period. My plan was a 
change freeze window and copy/restore the backups and then activate the new 
servers and move the subnet to the new location.

As best I can tell I need to get UCCX to SU4 of 8.5.1 then I can go to 10.6 SU3 
and then to 12x (with the fun of two CAD upgrades and then a migration to 
Finesse!)

For CUCM/UCXN I need to go to 8.6 anything and then I can go to 11.5 and then 
to 12x

I think my plan is to do the upgrades to the interim versions on the old hosts 
then migrate to the new and then finish the upgrades. The old hosts will need 
ESXi upgrades to an interim version.

Anyone have thoughts on what they would do here? This is partially depending on 
TAC being able to provide me the ISOs I will need, but I presume there is an 
archive.

In theory some sort of PCD migration is also an option, but I’ve never done one 
and not sure how it could handle the subnet situation that will have to exist.

Welcome to my fun life!















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