I didn't see an adequate answer to this question so here is my take, Runts are most often seen after a switch when the switch is doing cut-thru and detects a bad packet. It will truncate the packet, ( however since the first part of the packet is on the wire already you now have a runt)and then is supposed to back send a jam-burst out the incoming port if the coruption was due to a colision detection, to alert affected transmitters of the detected colision. Often times I also see late colisions somewhere on the network. If this is true then determine where the ethernet rules may be broken (I know a switch is a violation just being there) and causing your problems to show up. Happens most in over extended 100MHz. networks. A giant has more possibilities, usually a colision, or mismatch of allowable packet length or setting, or an allowable long packet hitting a device unable to handle long packets, or a jabbering NIC. Checking for these combination of problems will generally lead to the true source of the problem which probably isn't the new Novell server. Chris Johnson ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ___________________________________ UPDATED Posting Guidelines: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/guide.html FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]