This is tiring. Everyone on the list deserves respect. No one deserves to be 
flamed. There are no people more or less entitled to break the rules or to 
enforce the ettiquette save the list proctor. I think if there are 
exceptional and more experienced people here rather than criticize people 
for lazy or unperceptive questions why not set a good example and show them 
how to ask good and worthwhile ones?

There is no one more or less entitled to do commercial things and to promote 
for profit things either. No one earns the right to be above the rules that 
apply to everyone.


>From: "Chuck Larrieu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: "Chuck Larrieu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "John lay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Etiquette: WAS: Off topic Nortel Certifications
>Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 12:16:23 -0700
>
>Because you made public the fact that I replied to you in private, I would
>just like to let everyone know exactly what that private reply was:
>
>Begin quote:
>You could do a lot worse than listen to Howard. Really.
>
>Idle curiosity, what do you think Howard should have said? What is the
>problem you are trying to start?
>End quote
>
>I responded to you privately, because you flamed a respected and revered
>individual publicly. Anything you have stated in your response below 
>applies
>all the more to yourself.
>
>Sir, you have demonstrated an incredible lack of maturity, not to mention
>self-righteousness.
>
>As to whether I or anyone else "deserve any answere"  I suggest that
>personality issues and personal style aside, it is well known among those
>who have spent any time on this list who at least tries to ADD value.
>
>Chuck
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From:  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of 
>John
>lay
>Sent:  Monday, July 31, 2000 10:41 AM
>To:    [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject:       Re: Off topic Nortel Certifications
>
>Guys,
>
>Thanks a lot for the useful information, you have been very hepful.
>
>
>
>Howard, Chuck,
>
>and just to close this issue. I don't wanna to discuss it any more.
>You could answere me with a better way. The point that I want to clairfy is
>if you don't like the question you don't have to answere just ignore it. 
>Not
>all people are on the same techincal level.
>Let me tell you something more, the technicality is never a problem you can
>search and look and you will find the answere, the point is on people's
>attitudes. I didn't not write any books I don't have the technical skills
>maybe of both of you but I can gain it, it is just a matter of time and at
>least I know how to talk to people politly.
>And no Howard, I didn't want Cisco's analysis of Nortel exams?
>but unfortunatly this was your answere.Look to how others answered my
>concern they didn't do a SHOW. Anyway thanx guys for the answeres.
>
>Albert Ip,
>You do not deserve any answere.
>
>
>
>
>
>On Sun, 30 Jul 2000 18:53:33 -0400, james wrote:
>
> >  Hi John,
> >
> >  I'm posting this to the group for others that have the same question.
> >
> >  There is no specific exam for the Nortel NNCDS.  Rather you need to do
>one
> >  of the core technology exam  for the NNCSS and then  do the Nortel web
>based
> >  exams from home ( or elsewhere)  to fullfill the other requirements.  
>See
> >  http://www12.nortelnetworks.com/training2/certification/nncds.html for
>more
> >  info.
> >
> >  The Nortel design exam is for the next level of certification, the 
>NNCDE
>(
> >  design expert). To get that you need to do the NNCDS, plus:  one 
>advanced
> >  exam, one more core technology exam  and the design exam.
> >  See http://www12.nortelnetworks.com/training2/certification/nncde.html
>for
> >  more info on that one.  So if you mean you were planning to write the
>design
> >  expert exam 920-021 ( Network Design Essentials for Routers and 
>Switches)
> >  you would not be certified as anything.  Just a heads up.
> >
> >  James Placer CCDP, CCNP, NNCSE, NNCSS, MCSE
> >  ENTG Engineer
> >  Interactive Business Systems Inc.
> >  email:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  John lay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >  [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >  > Hi,
> >  >
> >  > I know this is out of the list objectives, sorry !
> >  >
> >  > Does anybody have informations about Nortel certification NNCDS.
> >  > Number of questions, how long the exam is .......
> >  > I am gonna take the eam very soon.
> >  >
> >  > Thanx
> >  >
> >
> >
> >
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