True that! Most of us are not Native American, so where does the
complaining really start?
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Patrick Stiever
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Ken,
What are you wooried about, there are going to be like 500,000 to a
million new Hi-Tech jobs next year and it is only going to increase, plenty
for you, me, and anybody else that wants one that is qualified. As far as
training Americans, well hey I wasn't born with a silver spoon in my mouth,
actually I was poor, didn't have the money to go to college, instead I got
my training from the military. What I am saying is that if there is a will
there is a way. Stop being so lazy and expecting everything to be handed to
you on a platter. That is why it is called "working for a living". Besides
if foreign competition makes you and me work harder to learn more and to be
more imagnative then I welcome it. Welcome to the real world where things
hardly ever, ever go your way.
Patrick Stiever
CCNA 2.0
Communications Engineer
24 Hour Fitness
(760) 918 4459
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Subject: Choices??
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I agree and disagree with you Ken.
Yes its the choices people make, ie, high-tech careers vs driving a truck.
However its the big money corporations that want to keep salaries down that
lobby to bring in H-1Bs.
HOWEVER hope is not gone.
XEROX has said it will not and does not hire any H-1Bs. They believe that
American companies should be hiring, and training if necessary, Americans.
Hopefully this will spread.
\
Quoting Kenneth Lorenzo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> I think it's your own career choices/skills that put you where you're at
> and
> not because some guy from some other country took your job.
>
> "Crypto Byte" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > To whom it may concern [namely you]:
> >
> > I personally don't have anything against these people [who ever the hell
> > they are] other than the fact they are ruining my life and the lives of
> > others, destroying my family, undermining the premise and foundation of
> > our [and other] career field[s], effecting the economic base of our
> > country [USA]; and, in general, starting to piss me off.
> >
> > Assuming you are not a H1-B, how do we stem the tide?
> >
> > If you are a H1-B, because you are ruining my life and the lives of
> > others, destroying my family, undermining the premise and foundation of
> > our [and other] career field[s], effecting the economic base of our
> > country [USA], please give me one non parasitic reason I should not feel
> > this way!
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
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> Hiring Foreign Tech Workers: In granting visas, Congress bowed to
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> moneyHiring Foreign Tech Workers: In granting visas, Congress bowed to
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> Why do we keep electing these people? They obviously no longer represent
> the interests of the American voter.
> http://www.csmonitor.com/durable/2000/09/27/text/p10s1.html
>
> Hiring Foreign Tech Workers
>
> In granting visas, Congress bowed to high-tech money
>
> The booming American high-tech industry, eager to fill jobs with workers
> it apparently cannot seem to find within US borders, will have its wishes
> granted again on Capitol Hill this week.
>
> Congress is finishing up a bill that will grant H1-B visas to some
> 200,000
> high-tech workers from overseas for the next three years. That's in
> addition
> to the existing half-million such workers already in the country.
President
> Clinton apparently has given his support to the measure.
>
> Such generosity to one industry - albeit one driving the economy - is
> thanks largely to its increasing political clout. The industry gives
> campaign contributions to Democrats and Republicans in roughly equal
> amounts. The total will exceed $22 million this year, more than double the
> $8.9 million of four years ago.
>
> Also, Congress seems to have given up on the idea that low-tech American
> workers can quickly be taught how to make computer chips, write software,
> and perform other high-tech tasks.
>
> There are problems here. First, the bill is typical of the piecemeal
> approach to the larger issue of controls on immigration, both legal and
> illegal.
>
> Second, the quick passage of an H1-B bill in a crowded congressional
> calendar is being done without providing resources to retrain American
> workers or to encourage and recruit students into science and engineering.
>
> Critics were ignored in their charge that high-tech firms are not
lacking
> for résumés, but may only be short of younger workers willing to work for
> less money and longer hours.
>
> Any evidence to that effect was overridden by the assumption that the US
> companies need more foreign, low-wage workers to remain globally
> competitive. Congress also worried that many of the firms might just flee
> to
> low-wage countries.
>
> The industry claims it needs workers from India, China, and elsewhere
who
> now earn up to 15 times less at similar high-tech jobs in their native
> countries. It also foresees a vacancy of 850,000 jobs in the years ahead.
>
>
> Issues outstanding
>
> Some politicians tried to further tangle up the HB-1 legislation by
> asking
> to bring up other immigration causes.
>
> A few Democrats wanted to appease Hispanics who claim there is a
> double-standard in granting visas to high-tech workers while denying them
> to
> illegal immigrants already in the US.
>
> Some on the GOP side, meanwhile, wanted to make sure H1-B foreign
> professionals didn't directly take jobs away from American workers or
force
> a lowering of salaries.
>
> One big issue the bill neglects is how to provide additional government
> services to this massive wave of high-tech immigrants.
>
> Nor does it beef up government monitoring of these "temporary" workers -
> many of whom will likely find a way to stay illegally in the US after
their
> visas expire.
>
> It's disappointing that the bill has no sensible safeguards to protect
> American workers, such as a requirement that the companies pay a minimum
of
> $40,000 a year to the foreign workers.
>
> And it's disappointing, too, that the Clinton administration, which
often
> claims to be on the side of the American worker, has not seen fit to put
> modest regulations into effect that went along with the first passage of
> H1-B visas six years ago. One necessary rule is that high-tech firms make
a
> good-faith effort to advertise for US workers before they hire from
abroad.
>
>
> A few recommendations
>
> A recent report on the H1-B issue by the General Accounting Office calls
> government efforts to date in question. The GAO says the H1-B program is
> open to abuse by companies for two reasons: (1) the Labor Department has
> limited legal authority to enforce the program and (2) weaknesses in
> enforcement by the Immigration and Naturalization Service.
>
> The report goes on to offer worthy recommendations. They include:
>
> ˇ That many companies in California's Silicon Valley be encouraged to
> move
> elsewhere in order to find more and less expensive workers. (Salaries in
> that high-tech corridor need to be three times the national average to
keep
> up with housing prices.)
>
> ˇ An income-tax credit that encourages employment in high-tech fields.
>
> As the world continues its march toward a global economy, a freer
> exchange
> of workers among countries is required.
>
> But let's hope the H1-B visa issue can be framed in a large scope of
> other
> immigration issues and a proper reeducation of American workers.
>
>
>
> -- K ([EMAIL PROTECTED]), September 28, 2000
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