locate PIX configuration materials on CCO as well. also, it will not hurt to have Cisco Access Lists Field Guide by Gil Held and Keith Hundley. Pay particlar attention to firewall related access lists. if memory serves, it can't hurt to review fundamentals of TACACS+ and Radius. Best wishes Chuck "Jared Carter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 00ac01c04123$ab415420$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:00ac01c04123$ab415420$[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Group- I bought a copies of "Designing Network Security" and "Enhanced IP Services for Cisco Networks" in hope of passing the MCNS test without taking the course. Should this be enough? If so, which should I read first? Is one more of fundalementals? All input is appreciated. /Jared _________________________________ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]