You can also try calculating bandwidth at www.erlang.com

John Deatherage wrote:

> Some things that might help: 1. Are you using CODEC like G.729 that
> works at an 8Kbps bit rate?  If not, you'll be hating life.2.
> Bandwidth at full rate & Multilink PPP (MLPPP) or FRF.12 will still be
> 17.2kbps.3. You need QoS, even if you can burst to port speed at
> 56kbps.4. Consider LLQ for Frame Relay for your QoS, which is now
> supported in IOS as of 12.1(2)T.  We had to use this to get good voice
> quality on a moderately saturated FR link with a 1.544mbps CIR.5. You
> may need QoS on your LAN if the links are congested near the 3640.
> Look at QoS as an end-to-end solution.6. Perform ping tests from the
> 3640 to your remote sites to get a better idea of how many ms the
> round trip is.  Try pings from both sides. Things to keep in mind:-
> VoIP overhead will kill you - you need to do testing to figure out
> exactly how much bandwidth you are using.- Good luck doing this over
> 56kbps, even if you use the full line.
>
>      ----- Original Message -----
>      From: Chris Boyd
>      To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>      Sent: Friday, November 10, 2000 1:08 PM
>      Subject: VOIP Troubles
>       All right guys I need some help....     I have been working
>      with Cisco for a while now on a VOIP issue.  The problems
>      lies in both call disconnects and voice distortion.  We have
>      followed all the steps for traffic shaping (QOS) and rtp
>      header-compression but these do not seem to help.  We have
>      150 remote sites all running 2600's with FXS modules that
>      all come back into the host site where we have 2 7206's.
>      Each of these links are 56k frame-relay links with 16k CIR
>      running very few applications mostly small transactions and
>      Citrix clients.  The call must then traverse two internal
>      Ethernet segments, routing through our 6509 backbone switch
>      and then into a 3640 before hitting the PBX.  Cisco seems to
>      think that we need to increase our bandwidth to support the
>      voice traffic, however, that is not something I have been
>      able to sell to the "powers that be".  We sold this idea on
>      cutting cost and in our estimations for upping the CIR to
>      even 32k will be significant cost increase.  Right now I am
>      shaping to 16k with an 8k committed burst so at any one time
>      I should be able to burst to 24k.  Assuming that I am able
>      to burst to port speed (56k) why would I have call
>      distortion unless there is some latency coming through the
>      ISP's switch?  We also have another company site that also
>      comes back in this way and we have no problems with those
>      calls.O.K. that being said (and hopefully not too confusing
>      to follow) here come the questions: 1.    Has anyone else
>      implemented VOIP in slow links successfully?2.    Is anyone
>      else having QOS problems with their VOIP
>      implementations?3.    Do I need to prioritize the voice
>      traffic through the local network?4.    Has anyone tried
>      turning off traffic shaping and letting the voice and data
>      compete for bandwidth? Thanks in advance for your
>      feedback!
>      Thanks, Chris Boyd, CCNA
>      Network Support
>      Alex Lee, Inc.
>      120 4th Street SW
>      Hickory, NC 28601
>      (828) 323-4103
>      http://www.alexlee.com
>

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