Speaking of the magic number, what are they up to these days? The CCIE popuplation is up to 4992 as of Nov. 1st. 314 have been decertified (that must suck, but I guess some of those folks could be retired), and the starting CCIE number is 1000 (I believe), so that puts it around 6300. Can anyone confirm? http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/625/ccie/ccie_program/ccie_present.html Regarding why she should allow you to have your head stuck in a book (and actually, why she should take any TV and other wastes of time away from you and actually push you to have your head stuck in a book): Starting salary for CCIE's is a minimum $100k, and $125-$150k is pretty standard in better areas. -- Jason Roysdon, CCNA, MCSE, CNA, Network+, A+ List email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://jason.artoo.net/ Cisco resources: http://r2cisco.artoo.net/ "Francisco Muniz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > My wife doesn't know what I do either (other than the basic), but she > says whenever I talk about it my eyes shine, and that it must be > wonderful to like what you do so much... And that's all she needs. :-) > Perhaps all you need to do is try explaining her what you do, so she > sees your shinning eyes :-) > If you check the archives, there are some articles mentioned, also > packet magazine featured a couple good ones, one of them specifically > talking about how hard it is to get the coveted # (and one that's below > 8000, please). Try www.cisco.com/go/packet. Best of lucks. > > Francisco Muniz. > > _________________________________ > FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html > Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > _________________________________ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]