I have heard this before, but my poor brain needs reassurance. I have completed the CCDP and CCNP Security, and I am thinking about doing VoIP next week. My plan is to take the CCIE R&S written next month. But now, as I stare the registration site in the pixels, I think that I should go right ahead with the CCIE R&S written without taking the VoIP exam. My intention on taking the VoIP exam is to have an intermediate step before takling the CCIE exam. But I am wavering... my confidense is shaking... For those that are thinking: "How can I know what to tell him? I know nothign about him." Let me tell you a bit about myself. I pick up things naturally. I studied for a week for the Security exam and passed with an 848. I took the FRS exam, instead of three exams, for the CCNP and passed that with an 830 after two weeks of study. I admit that I am not perfect in my scores, but a pass is a pass. It does reflect in my available knowledge: I have much bredth but not as much depth as I would like to have. So, with all that being said, what advice do all of you have for me? Be gentle. :-) Jim _________________________________ FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]