Yes, we've tried 11.2(19), 12.0(14) and 12.1(5) on this end.  The remote
side has been on 12.0(5) the entire time and they are not able to change at
this time.  Since it appears to be an issue with the timers, we can set
those with ios commands and hopefully alleviate the problem.

Thanks,
John

>  Have you tried downgrading IOS to a more experienced version, just to see
if 
>  your problem goes away?
>  
>  
>  >From: John Neiberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  >Reply-To: John Neiberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  >Subject: I'm stumped! (was EIGRP over ISDN) LONG
>  >Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 07:51:11 -0800 (PST)
>  >
>  >I'm reposting this in the hopes that someone who didn't see it before
might
>  >have some ideas about this.  Heck, SWAGs, educated guesstimates, or
>  >telephone psychic impressions are also welcome.  We are completely
stumped
>  >about how to resolve this.  I've even posted this question on the CCO
Q&A
>  >Forum but I don't think anyone has been answering questions on there 
>  >lately.
>  >
>  >Here is the problem:  we have an ISDN BRI backup link between two sites,

>  >and
>  >we want to run eigrp over the link when it's in use.  The problem is
that
>  >even though the line is not flapping, eigrp is behaving as if it were
>  >flapping.  My side NEVER sees hellos from the other side, but it does
>  >receive updates.  The other side receives my hellos, but it thinks the
link
>  >is bouncing and that my router is intermittently unavailable.  My side 
>  >never
>  >establishes the other as a neighbor.
>  >
>  >I've used every debugging command I can find to no avail.  Nothing is 
>  >giving
>  >me any information that I don't already know.  We have no access lists
>  >configured, except for distribute lists but that shouldn't affect
neighbor
>  >relationships, should it?
>  >
>  >Here is sample debug output (debug eigrp neighbors and debug eigrp
packet):
>  >
>  >3d01h: EIGRP: Sending HELLO on BRI0 nbr 10.120.226.2
>  >
>  >3d01h:   AS 2, Flags 0x0, Seq 0/0 idbQ 0/0 iidbQ un/rely 0/0
>  >
>  >3d01h: EIGRP: Sending HELLO on BRI0 nbr 10.120.226.2
>  >
>  >3d01h:   AS 2, Flags 0x0, Seq 0/0 idbQ 0/0 iidbQ un/rely 0/0
>  >
>  >3d01h: %LINK-3-UPDOWN: Interface BRI0:1, changed state to up
>  >
>  >3d01h: %LINEPROTO-5-UPDOWN: Line protocol on Interface BRI0:1, changed 
>  >state
>  >to up
>  >3d01h: EIGRP: Sending HELLO on BRI0 nbr 10.120.226.2
>  >
>  >3d01h:   AS 2, Flags 0x0, Seq 0/0 idbQ 0/0 iidbQ un/rely 0/0
>  >
>  >3d01h: EIGRP: Received UPDATE on BRI0 nbr 10.120.226.2
>  >
>  >3d01h:   AS 2, Flags 0x1, Seq 67/0 idbQ 0/0
>  >
>  >3d01h: EIGRP: Neighbor(10.120.226.2) not yet found
>  >
>  >3d01h: EIGRP: Received UPDATE on BRI0 nbr 10.120.226.2
>  >
>  >3d01h:   AS 2, Flags 0x1, Seq 67/0 idbQ 0/0
>  >
>  >3d01h: EIGRP: Neighbor(10.120.226.2) not yet found
>  >
>  >3d01h: %ISDN-6-CONNECT: Interface BRI0:1 is now connected to 303xxxxxx
>  >theirrouter
>  >3d01h: EIGRP: Sending HELLO on BRI0 nbr 10.120.226.2
>  >
>  >3d01h:   AS 2, Flags 0x0, Seq 0/0 idbQ 0/0 iidbQ un/rely 0/0
>  >
>  >3d01h: EIGRP: Received UPDATE on BRI0 nbr 10.120.226.2
>  >
>  >3d01h:   AS 2, Flags 0x1, Seq 67/0 idbQ 0/0
>  >
>  >3d01h: EIGRP: Neighbor(10.120.226.2) not yet found
>  >
>  >3d01h: EIGRP: Received UPDATE on BRI0 nbr 10.120.226.2
>  >
>  >3d01h:   AS 2, Flags 0x1, Seq 67/0 idbQ 0/0
>  >
>  >3d01h: EIGRP: Neighbor(10.120.226.2) not yet found
>  >
>  >3d01h: EIGRP: Sending HELLO on BRI0 nbr 10.120.226.2
>  >
>  >3d01h:   AS 2, Flags 0x0, Seq 0/0 idbQ 0/0 iidbQ un/rely 0/0
>  >
>  >3d01h: EIGRP: Sending HELLO on BRI0 nbr 10.120.226.2
>  >
>  >3d01h:   AS 2, Flags 0x0, Seq 0/0 idbQ 0/0 iidbQ un/rely 0/0
>  >
>  >3d01h: EIGRP: Received UPDATE on BRI0 nbr 10.120.226.2
>  >
>  >3d01h:   AS 2, Flags 0x1, Seq 67/0 idbQ 0/0
>  >
>  >3d01h: EIGRP: Neighbor(10.120.226.2) not yet found
>  >
>  >Here is some info from the remote side:
>  >
>  >theirrouter#
>  >1d02h: EIGRP: Retransmission retry limit exceeded
>  >1d02h: EIGRP: Holdtime expired
>  >1d02h: EIGRP: Neighbor 10.120.226.1 went down on BRI0/0
>  >1d02h: EIGRP: New peer 10.120.226.1
>  >
>  >theirrouter#sho ip eigrp neighbors
>  >IP-EIGRP neighbors for process 2
>  >H   Address                 Interface   Hold Uptime   SRTT   RTO  Q  Seq
>  >                                         (sec)         (ms)       Cnt
Num
>  >0   10.120.226.1            BR0/0         12 00:00:38    0  5000  1  0
>  >
>  >1d02h: EIGRP: Retransmission retry limit exceeded
>  >1d02h: EIGRP: Holdtime expired
>  >1d02h: EIGRP: Neighbor 10.120.226.1 went down on BRI0/0
>  >1d02h: EIGRP: New peer 10.120.226.1
>  >
>  >I'm not getting any errors on the line, and further debugging (isdn
q921,
>  >isdn q931, ppp error, ppp auth, ppp neg, bri-interface) does not show
any
>  >problems whatsoever.  I've tried ping tests with different payloads and 
>  >they
>  >succeeded wonderfully.
>  >
>  >I've also made sure that we are in the same 'AS'.  We are running
12.1(5) 
>  >on
>  >a 2520, they run 12.0(5) on a 2524.  I've searched CCO for any 
>  >configuration
>  >hints or bug reports, and I've read through Doyle's Routing TCP/IP
section
>  >on eigrp and I can find no possible explanation for this behavior.
>  >
>  >Any takers?  ideas?  hints?  tips?  Do you know a good psychic or witch
>  >doctor?  Perhaps a good psychiatrist, instead?  :-)
>  >
>  >For anyone who has taken the time to read through all of this, I thank
you.
>  >
>  >Regards,
>  >John
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
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