To ellaborate on what you were saying, because many recruiting firms scan
the resumes into a database, and index them based on key words (certs,
protocols, etc.), it is sometimes best to send them a text copy of a
detailed resume, for archiving into their database, and offer the recruiter
that you are working with a "formal" copy of a scaled down, single page,
well formatted, professional looking resume that looks good printed out,
for sending to the potential employers.
I've used every trick possible within MS Word to fit as much as I possibly
can onto a single piece of paper. I've changed the line spacing to be less
than one, I've changed the space between letters, maxed out the margins,
changed the point size of the font (I'm currently using 9 point Arial,
anything smaller would require a magnifying glass), and I even eliminated
the common practice of placing an email line in the header to gain an extra
line at the bottom.
BTW, I once had an interviewer make a quiz based on what I claimed to have
experience with on my resume. Since I have used the same resume for 8
years, and have only added to it, there were alot of things on there that I
have not worked with in a long time. I passed the quiz, only missing one
question. The interviewer explained that over half the people he
interviews fail to get a passing score on a quiz based on what they claim
to know on their resumes.
So remember to NOT include things that you may have completely forgotten,
or are completely obsolete, when listing your skills.
Examples: Arcnet, VMS, PDP-11, MS-DOS 3.3, X.25, Localtalk, LAT, XNS,
Vines...
At 11:23 AM 1/26/01 -0600, Ole Drews Jensen wrote:
>I am the Systems Network Manager for an enterprise that has several
>recruiting companies under them, which I am responsible for also. Some of
>these companies simply scan resumees into a special designed application,
>and everytime they need a candidate, the use the search function.
>
>That means that if they need someone with TCP/IP skills and a CCNA cert, you
>will not be shown in the results window if you only put your CCNP cert on
>your resume.
>
>I know that many companies like resumees to be 1 or max 2 pages long, but
>you have to kind of throw it in the air and "smell" what would be the best
>thing to do in each individual situation.
>
>I like to have different versions of my resume, so it mainly shows the area
>that matches the job functions I am applying for.
>
>Hth,
>
>Ole
>
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: Brandon Rose [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Friday, January 26, 2001 10:59 AM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: RE: Certifications on resumes
>
>
>My only issue with this is I try and keep my resume itself to one lean, mean
>page - though it sometimes goes over a little.
>
>If I individually included the dozen MS exams I completed and the many
>CompTIA exams I both took and acted as a SME for along with dates, that adds
>a lot of paper right there. Same goes for the gigantic protocol, operating
>system, and equipment list some people include. It doesn't leave much room
>to mention job experience/major projects, which is what probably counts in
>the long run.
>
>I don't know where I should stand on the keyword scan vs. "lean 'n mean"
>resume issue. Is there a conflict?
>
>I understand keywords are vital if someone from HR is scanning a hundred or
>so resumes, but at the same time they don't want to read a small novel with
>footnotes and a bibliography. I know most of my MBA friends would say it's
>all about including as many buzz words and acronyms in as little space as
>possible. heh
>
>I wonder what Raymond from the jobs groupstudy list will think? I'll be
>sure to bring this up with him when I see him.
>
>One thing I do agree on is the vast majority of HR personnel have no idea
>what the certs mean (but do they mean anything? that's a whole other topic
>right there).
>
>My $.02,
>
>Brandon - holder of various acronyms
>
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Kevin Wigle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>> Sent: Friday, January 26, 2001 9:41 AM
>> To: Ole Drews Jensen; 'Andy'; Craig Columbus
>> Cc: netlinesys; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Subject: Re: Certifications on resumes
>>
>>
>> I have done something similar as Ole,
>>
>> On my resume I have a section with a running history of exams
>> passed and
>> courses taken. If passing an exam completed a certification
>> I note that in
>> brackets. i.e. - 15 July 2000, CID exam passed (CCDP completed)
>>
>> On the cover page I only list the "senior" certs from a
>> track. The same for
>> my business card, the senior certs only.
>>
>> But on job boards I check off every single cert due to
>> searches by HR people
>> who may not know/understand the progression.
>>
>> There was a time when I chided people for putting down
>> MCP/MCSE. But I
>> didn't figure that HR people wouldn't know the difference -
>> they're supposed
>> to know the market they're recruiting for... right?
>>
>> right.
>>
>> Kevin Wigle
>>
>
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