Chances are that your instructor was driving a cab or installing security alarms for a living a few months ago... Read the course material for factual information related to the exam. I wouldn't rely heavily on anything that an instructor said - there's not a lot of "value-add" there... Z >From: "Buri, Heather H" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: "Buri, Heather H" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: IOS version 13.xxx ?? and a Rant... >Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 11:41:14 -0600 > >Hi Everyone. > >Well, I finished my BSCN course through Global Knowledge last week. I have >to say I was kind of disappointed. I really was wanting to spend some good >time on BGP and OSPF but we had to rush through it because we wasted a >whole >day going over RIP??? I thought this was supposed to be an advanced class! >My opinion is the only refresher we should have been given on RIP is: > >Router Rip > >Anyways, the instructor said they started making the labs easier because >too >many people complained about them being too difficult??? :::sigh::: > >Oh well. Thank God for this list and I guess I will be saving myself $2000 >on the CIT course now. > >I will be taking my exam on April 5. I wanted to study BGP and Policy >Based >routing some more. > >My instructor did mention Cisco was up to IOS release 13 already. This was >news to me. He said it had been out for some time. My question is, has >anyone been using it yet? My instructor did say that they finally did away >with my favorite command... write mem. A sad, sad day! Well, I knew it >was >coming. I don't suppose "c r s" will work at the command line?? :-) > >Heather Buri >CSC Technology Services - Houston > >Phone: (713)-961-8592 >Fax: (713)-961-8249 >Mobile: >Alpha Page: > >Mailing: 1360 Post Oak Blvd > Suite 500 > Houston, TX 77056 > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Robert Padjen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 10:58 AM >To: Chris Haller; [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: Cisco Certs Becoming Paper CCXX > > >I respectfully disagree with your summary point. I >know at least three CCIEs (R/S) that can't network >their way out of a paper bag. The odds are good that >you'll find one that has the knowledge, but its not a >guarantee. BTW - I have a number of co-workers that >have failed the lab but can kick most butts out there! > > >--- Chris Haller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I too am pursuing CCIE certification and have > > noticed > > a recent influx in people attempting and passing > > CCNP > > and CCIE written, especially the recent addition of > > hundreds of people on this board ... > > > > Anyway, CCNA, CCNP, CCDP ... CCIE Written, this > > means > > nothing. It is good, takes a good amoumt of work > > and > > is somewhat difficult to achieve, but if that's your > > issue, only interview LAB CERTIFIED CCIE's. There > > is > > no such thing as a "Paper LAB CCIE" If you pass the > > lab, you know your stuff .. WELL. > > > > HTH > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Adele Galus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hi Mike; > > > > > > I find your comment very interesting, most > > positions > > > state how > > > many years of experience before applying. The only > > > exceptions > > > that I have seen with certification positions, is > > in > > > the programing field. > > > It's not the certification being a problem - it's > > > the resources for > > > people to obtain experience. > > > > > > My thoughts are that there needs to be more labs > > for > > > people to work in when > > > studying for their certification that are > > affordable > > > or that it can be obtain. > > > People need to be involved with study groups and > > > they should do volunteer > > > work or try working as a contractor. > > > > > > This problem became obvious when Cisco & Microsoft > > > started programs in > > > San Jose for the welfare people to start becoming > > > certified. Why did they do > > > that!!!! > > > > > > What amazes me is how these people, that you are > > > seeing, have passed the test???? > > > > > > my 03 cents worth. > > > > > > respectfully, > > > adele > > > > > > Mike Davis wrote: > > > > > > > I will probably get yelled at for this one > > but... > > > > > > > > I am a CCNA, CCDA, CCNP, and yes going after the > > > CCIE. > > > > So up front I am not against certs. > > > > > > > > I am becoming aware of more and more people > > > becoming > > > > Cisco certified and not know enough to go and > > > actually > > > > do the work. Our company has and is interviewing > > > for > > > > network folks, I have the opportunity to > > interview > > > > these people to verify technical experience. I > > > have > > > > had CCNA, CCNP, and yes even CCIE written folks > > > who > > > > could not tell me what they 'should' acutally > > > know. > > > > > > > > This scares me because I am also working hard > > > toward > > > > my certs and the CCIE. But it has been proven > > and > > > is > > > > showing up more that these people are becoming > > > "paper" > > > > Cisco folks, as in the paper MCSE. > > > > > > > > I know and hope the CCIE LAB and title will > > remain > > > as > > > > difficult if not more so in the future. I for > > one > > > do > > > > not want to spend a year of my life gaining the > > > CCIE > > > > title to be one among thousands who also have > > it. > > > > > > > > That is my insite and hope Cisco will > > > > try to make it more difficult to obtain the > > > CCNP/DP > > > > and not become another MCSE program. > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! 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