I think years of experience does not always translate to ability. Some 
people get very comfortable with their positions after they achieve NP/DP 
status. Some continue to learn, some don't. It is hard to gauge a person's 
ability simply by their years of experience.

On the other hand, CCIE's have proven themselves in a grueling 2 day lab. 
CCIE's are also guaranteed to be proficient in a wide variety of protocols. 
Also, don't forget that Silver/Gold partners need them.

When you look at it from an employer's perspective, you have to remember 
that most of these people don't know much about networking. They like to see 
big certifications. The bigger the better. A CCIE's proven ability gives 
them a feeling of security. You can't fake the Lab like you could fake an 
interview.

Fred


>From: "ElephantChild" 
>Reply-To: "ElephantChild" 
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: RE: CCIE prep - review lab inventory and budget [7:3908]
>Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 07:50:54 -0400
>
>On Wed, 9 May 2001, Brian wrote:
>
>(following up on a post about removing TR from the CCIE lab)
>
> > yeah i would love to see focus put on current popular technologies, not
> > those used by a small minority.
>
>I hate to reopen that debate, but what difference would that leave
>between a CCIE and a CCNP/CCDP with say, 5-6 years experience? Sure,
>looking at it from the employer's seat, it's nice to have (relatively)
>cheap people who can deal competently with the 50% (or whatever) of all
>available technologies that 99% of all networks will use in some form,
>but what (IMHO) makes a CCIE worth the money is the ability to deal with
>the older or exotic technologies that only 1% of the sites use.
>
>To give a concrete example, it may be OK to require CCDPs and CCNPs to
>know about FR, but not about X.25, but if you do the same for CCIEs,
>then anyone who *needs* the features that only X25 provides is left up
>the proverbial creek. (Having seen the kind of infrastructure that's
>considered state of the art in some countries or locations from my stint
>with an oil company, I can attest that when you need X25 or LAPB, you
>need it badly, and switching to FR/HDLC/PPP is simply not an option.)
>
>*tosses 2 cents Allanward*
>
>--
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>about to decline, saying that my complete ignorance of the subject made
>me unsuitable, then I thought again, that maybe it doesn't, as driving
>people away from it is a desirable outcome." --Me
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