I apologize did not mean to revive the dead, I just hate that they don't do anything about it. ""Bradley J. Wilson"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > I agree whole-heartedly, but I really don't want to have to wade through a > bunch of "paper certs suck" postings on this newsgroup again!! > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: JC > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 7:28 PM > Subject: Passing Exams without a lab!! Read this its a thought [7:9006] > > > Hello, > > I just couldn't resist stating this on the groupstudy, please respond > with your feelings on this matter. I started studying for my CCNA back in > October of last year. I was lazy so I took my time and passed the test in > December of last year. I got lazy for a while and then I began studying for > my CCNP in April. at the end of May I took my certification tests, my goal > was to take: > > 1) CCNP Foundation Exam 2.0 > 2) CCNP CIT 2.0 Exam > 3) CCDA Exam > 4) CCDP Exam > > Within a two week time frame I passed all of these exams. What is my > point, I'm dissapointed that I was able to pass all of these exams in two > weeks. The state of certification today stinks in my opinion. They offer > you multiple choice exams, why? So many people are getting certified in > this and certified in that, that after awhile our certs will be of no value. > The only reason the CCIE is the almighty is because you have to take a lab > to pass it. Why don't they require everyone to take a lab test for all > levels of tests. It does not have to be a full blown equipment lab but why > can't the tests be virtual in nature. Setup a virtual lab test sorta like > the Sybex CCNA simulator setup, and make people enter some crucial commands > by memory or fill in the blank. Specify the connector that should be > attached to this interface, configure the CSU, etc... etc... See, the > problem is, I've studied for multiple choice tests all of my life, In > college you took the same multiple choice tests, however every once in a > while you had to be creative and pass an essay exam which truly tested your > ability to know the process and know the facts. I realize it is easier to > write a multiple choice exam and make money, but from our perspective it > cheats us. The problem is that I studied my ass off to pass the tests, but > a lot of the information you study for a multiple choice test leaves your > head instantaneously. If all Certification tests reguardless of level > included a lab portion it would test our ability to be creative with a > design on a design exam, or test our troubleshooting knowledge on a > troubleshooting exam, not merely remember a fact. > I owe a lot to certifications because they have helped my career along, > but in the same vein I still can't survive without my degree. The > credibility of exams these days is diminishing along with the economy. As > long as it is a "dog eat- dog world" as we have always known it to be, we > are all in trouble. The only people that stand to make money off of us by > writing multiple choice exams are the vendors of the equipment and those who > train us. W are getting ripped off here guys and there will never be an end > to the price increases on exams and labs if we don't work to improve the > quality of the exams that are given. If everyone can pass these exams > without ever touching any equipment then these certifications mean nothing. > My heart tells me that the CCIE is the most coveted by all because it > challenges your true ability to function in a real world scenario, and not > everyone has it because their is a lab portion which truly tests our skills > not just our memorization ability. Have you ever worked with the guy who > knows everything, yet you study for all those certifications and you still > feel completely inferior around him. Sure your title says "CC this and MC > that," but while your studying, the know it all veteran with no > certifications is basically running the business by keeping the network > running, keeping management happy, keeping customers happy, and most of all > contributing to the profitability of the company. > This is not meant to be a cut on any of us networkers, and I'm not > saying I'm any different then the rest. However, my goal on certifications > has changed dramatically. If there is not a lab component I'm not > interested. We have to fight for the value of our studies, if not then we > will all be searching for a new line of work. > > > Thanks, > > JC Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=9009&t=9009 -------------------------------------------------- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]